9/11: a conspiracy?

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9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Lozzer » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:59 am

I don't buy into the typical North American conspiracy theories about the atrocities that occurred on 9/11 2001, but there's several conspicuous matters which raise my eye brows.

*The Pentagon was hit by an airliner, and the event was documented by both the Pentagon's CCTV and that of a small business in the area. Both videos of the footage clearly show an explosion, but neither show a plane hitting the building. I've always been convinced that it was down to how slowly the CCTV recorded the frames the impact, but the Pentagon's footage has the fastest pace of recording.

*I'm remember when the investigation into the terrorist attack began to show vital evidence pointing to the apparent perpetrators nine years ago. By some miracle a passport was found of one of the terrorists at Ground Zero. This clearly indicated the identity of one of the individuals, but how did it manage to survive intact and conveniently place itself near the rubble of the towers? I'm not sure if anyone else remembers this being reported, but I haven't heard anything of it since.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Twoflower » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:03 pm

I don't remember anything about a passport being found, but there was so much stuff being reported that I could have just forgotten.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Lozzer » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:06 pm

Twoflower wrote:I don't remember anything about a passport being found, but there was so much stuff being reported that I could have just forgotten.
I just did a quick google search, and while there was no links to news websites, my memory serves me well:
One day after 9/11 the perfectly unscathed passport of Satam Al Suqami, one of the alleged 19 hijackers, was found several blocks from Ground Zero, even though its next to impossible such a flimsy item escaped the towering inferno unblemished.
That's from a conspiracy theory website, but it shows I'm not just imaging it :awesome:
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:08 pm

The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.

As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Twoflower » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:10 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.

As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by devogue » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:11 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.

As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
Trigger Warning!!!1! :
I once found a human head wearing a pair of glasses. It had landed some distance from the body, but the glasses were not even broken.
Should have gone to Specsavers. :hehe:

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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:22 pm

Twoflower wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.

As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Lozzer » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:24 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.

As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
Trigger Warning!!!1! :
I once found a human head wearing a pair of glasses. It had landed some distance from the body, but the glasses were not even broken.
1.I know, I said that.

2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Twoflower » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:25 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Twoflower wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:The first one is easy enough. Motion picture film is a series of still photos with "persistence of vision" blending them together into an apparently seamless whole. The plane simply hit between frames.

As for the second, why is not possible? (Example spoilered for a reason.)
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And dragged away and thrown away
And then one day it turns to clay
It blows away, it finds a ray, it finds its way
And there it lays until the rain and sun
Then I breathe, just like the wind the breeze that blows
And I grow, just like a baby breastfeeding
And it's beautiful, that's life

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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:27 pm

Lozzer wrote:1.I know, I said that.
Yeah, but nobody reads what you write.
2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
Yeah? Try it. The passport could have been blown clear inside a pocket and then fell out of it. Not hard at all.
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:27 pm

Twoflower wrote:There should be a movie about your life.
I was there and I don't believe most of it. :coffee:
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Lozzer » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:41 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Lozzer wrote:1.I know, I said that.
Yeah, but nobody reads what you write.
2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
Yeah? Try it. The passport could have been blown clear inside a pocket and then fell out of it. Not hard at all.
Except the colliding plane and all of its passengers were incinerated at the point of hitting the building?
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Sep 11, 2010 1:47 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Lozzer wrote:1.I know, I said that.
Yeah, but nobody reads what you write.
2. There's decapitated heads wearing glasses, and then there's paper surviving the inferno of an explosive impact.
Yeah? Try it. The passport could have been blown clear inside a pocket and then fell out of it. Not hard at all.
Except the colliding plane and all of its passengers were incinerated at the point of hitting the building?
Every single bit of it? Without exception? No unburned debris anywhere, at all, none?
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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Rum » Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:16 pm

Of course there was a conspiracy. A bunch of Muslim extremists developed a massive, pretty complex, yet simple and basic plan to fly planes into high profile symbols of American power. The hint is in the word 'conspiracy'!

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Re: 9/11: a conspiracy?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:25 pm

Rum wrote:Of course there was a conspiracy. A bunch of Muslim extremists developed a massive, pretty complex, yet simple and basic plan to fly planes into high profile symbols of American power. The hint is in the word 'conspiracy'!
And as with Japan, there are people who refuse to believe "those people" could do this. Many of them are the people who curse "the government" when it rains, or their soda goes flat.
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