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Talvisota-The Winter War. Damn.Finns kicked some Ruskie butt

Post by FBM » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:10 am

Wow. This story really needs a much bigger spot in the history textbooks. Damn. :shock:



You can get the whole thing on Youtube, part by part, if you're interested. I'd recommend it. Wow. Makes "300" look tame.


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Re: Talvisota-The Winter War. Damn.Finns kicked some Ruskie

Post by klr » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:26 am

I do believe we have a thread on this already. albeit from some time ago. :tea:
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Post by FBM » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:30 am

Well, shit. :(
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Post by Tero » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:32 am

I have a recent movie, but it has no English captions. The wife is reading the book it is based on in English. US version available at 125 min.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antti_Tuuri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talvisota_%28film%29
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Post by Tero » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:33 am

klr wrote:I do believe we have a thread on this already. albeit from some time ago. :tea:
it's hard to find the search page. I bookmarked it:
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/search.php
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Post by FBM » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:35 am

Tero wrote:I have a recent movie, but it has no English captions. The wife is reading the book it is based on in English. US version available at 125 min.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antti_Tuuri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talvisota_%28film%29
I was looking for a dowload source for that when I ran across the documentary. Still can't get a download source. :lay:
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Post by klr » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:37 am

Tero wrote:
klr wrote:I do believe we have a thread on this already. albeit from some time ago. :tea:
it's hard to find the search page. I bookmarked it:
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/search.php
Thread located: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... f=10&t=304

... will report to the staff for a possible merge. :tea:
FBM wrote:Well, shit. :(
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Post by FBM » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:39 am

klr wrote::pardon:

That's the problem with history - it's all happened before ...
I'm gonna find me some new history, dammit! :nono:
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Post by FBM » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:09 pm

No kidding, though, I found part of the story a bit hard to swallow. There were 4 or 5 Germans found frozen, their throats slit, one with his sidearm drawn and unfired...and still standing. I mean, really. A corpse just can't freeze solid that fast. If it happened, it had to be a setup to demoralize the enemy, eh? :think:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:17 pm

FBM wrote:No kidding, though, I found part of the story a bit hard to swallow. There were 4 or 5 Germans found frozen, their throats slit, one with his sidearm drawn and unfired...and still standing. I mean, really. A corpse just can't freeze solid that fast. If it happened, it had to be a setup to demoralize the enemy, eh? :think:
Two possible scenarios come to mind. First, "tall tales time". Second, he was killed, froze, and then stood up for propaganda purposes. Going from 98.6 to 0 does take some wee amount of time.

I have pix somewhere of the Eastern Front, including one of a guy sitting upright with one arm sticking outward and bent down, like he's got his arm over a tree limb. But no limb. Looking at the snow around him you can actually see glove prints where the snow had been tamped down after he was moved to that position from his original place of death.

Freezing to death is reportedly not a bad way to go. You feel cold, then you feel warm and go all floaty as your body shuts down. So seeing corpses in a "natural pose" was not impossible.
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Post by FBM » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:22 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
FBM wrote:No kidding, though, I found part of the story a bit hard to swallow. There were 4 or 5 Germans found frozen, their throats slit, one with his sidearm drawn and unfired...and still standing. I mean, really. A corpse just can't freeze solid that fast. If it happened, it had to be a setup to demoralize the enemy, eh? :think:
Two possible scenarios come to mind. First, "tall tales time". Second, he was killed, froze, and then stood up for propaganda purposes. Going from 98.6 to 0 does take some wee amount of time.

I have pix somewhere of the Eastern Front, including one of a guy sitting upright with one arm sticking outward and bent down, like he's got his arm over a tree limb. But no limb. Looking at the snow around him you can actually see glove prints where the snow had been tamped down after he was moved to that position from his original place of death.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Psychological warfare. Good job, the Finns. :tup:
Freezing to death is reportedly not a bad way to go. You feel cold, then you feel warm and go all floaty as your body shuts down. So seeing corpses in a "natural pose" was not impossible.
That's true. It was so pleasant for me that I very nearly chose to just go back to sleep instead of fighting my way back...
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:26 pm

That's the trap of cold. Lots of people fall for it. "I'll just rest here for a moment." Then they find out they can't move any more. Then they don't care.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:47 pm

Finland sympathized with Germany in WW2, right? Germany supplied Finland with food and munitions up through the spring of 1944. Then cut Finland off when Finland tried to make a separate peace with the Soviets.

The Russian summer offensive in 1944 was actually coordinated with D-Day. So, Finland were the bad guys....lol :biggrin: Britain declared war on Finland in 1941. LOL

The Finns got the Nazi military and food aid resumed pursuant to the Ryti-Ribbentropp Agreement in June 1944.

Without Nazi anti-tank weapons and air forces, the Finns may not have made out so well.

And, didn't the Finns actually lose territory in the Winter War? Then sought Nazi help in the Continuation War?
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Post by SPMaximus » Mon May 23, 2011 5:14 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Finland sympathized with Germany in WW2, right? Germany supplied Finland with food and munitions up through the spring of 1944. Then cut Finland off when Finland tried to make a separate peace with the Soviets.

The Russian summer offensive in 1944 was actually coordinated with D-Day. So, Finland were the bad guys....lol :biggrin: Britain declared war on Finland in 1941. LOL

The Finns got the Nazi military and food aid resumed pursuant to the Ryti-Ribbentropp Agreement in June 1944.

Without Nazi anti-tank weapons and air forces, the Finns may not have made out so well.

And, didn't the Finns actually lose territory in the Winter War? Then sought Nazi help in the Continuation War?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Bri ... Winter_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_su ... Winter_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War

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