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Post by Audley Strange » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:13 am

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Audley Strange wrote:Well I'm glad you all think he's not cynical enough, but let me point out some of the following. He and his client actions predominantly made up the majority of the news in the red tops. A few different scandals over the last few years have left his position as Gossipmonger General rather tenuous, especially a small corruption and sexual favours brouhaha that everyone seems to have forgotten due to the entirely coincidental press scandal which allowed Clifford to luckily play the victim and vicarious nobleman while the public ignore accusations being levelled against him.

The Spectacle delights in building people up to tear them down to witness their public contrition to forgive them for the sins we ignored to make them famous. If Clifford is not putting that into play at all I would be very surprised.
I don't think the public would. ever take a convicted paedophile back into its warm embrace, however copious the crocodile tears being shed. Seems to me all the not- so- fancy footwork here is being executed by HM constabulary , who may have more than one agenda underlying their newfound zeal for prosecuting antique sexual miscreancies.
I thought the complaints were all from women who were women in the 60's, not children. So it's not a paedo thing though I think it's obvious that in people's minds they are equating this with Savile et al since it's definitely being peddled for that market. As for sexual miscreants, you do have a point when it comes to Glitter, but then he was an unrepentant child fiddler, who was convicted and Michael Barrymore's career has hardly been in ascendency since his public shaming.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Clifford is doing this, I'm saying that it is not outside the realm of possibility that this has been generated by him and his allies. The irony of it is, that if it is not, then he's being damned by the very thing he and his cronies have made a career out of, the confessions of sexually exploited young women, probably for cash.
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Re: Max Clifford charged with 11 indecent assaults

Post by En_Route » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:22 am

For once I checked my facts before scaling my soapbox and launching a foam-flecked diatribe. Per The Guardian-
"The charges include an indecent assault against a 14-year-old girl in 1966, and indecent assault against an 18-year-old woman in 1974/75. Clifford also faces three charges of indecent assault on a 15-year-old girl in 1977/78 and indecent assault against a 19-year-old woman in 1978.He is also charged with two indecent assaults against a girl, aged 16 or 17, in 1981/82, indecent assault against a 19-year-old woman in 1980/81, and two indecent assaults against an 18-year-old woman in 1984/85.
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Post by klr » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:36 am

Hmmm ... The best "spin" one could put on that was that he didn't knowingly seek out under-age girls. He just didn't seem to know or care of some of them were in fact under-age. And of course the "indecent assaults" headline is still there.
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Post by Audley Strange » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:55 pm

En_Route wrote:For once I checked my facts before scaling my soapbox and launching a foam-flecked diatribe. Per The Guardian-
"The charges include an indecent assault against a 14-year-old girl in 1966, and indecent assault against an 18-year-old woman in 1974/75. Clifford also faces three charges of indecent assault on a 15-year-old girl in 1977/78 and indecent assault against a 19-year-old woman in 1978.He is also charged with two indecent assaults against a girl, aged 16 or 17, in 1981/82, indecent assault against a 19-year-old woman in 1980/81, and two indecent assaults against an 18-year-old woman in 1984/85.
Well well well, I stand misinformed and corrected. Appreciated. I had not known there were charges against minors.
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Post by JimC » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:50 am

"Indecent assault" is a very broad church indeed...
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Post by John_fi_Skye » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:58 am

JimC wrote:"Indecent assault" is a very broad church indeed...
Yep. I've not seen anything in this fred - or in the media - that has changed my position since I posted earlier on in the fred.

1. We need to reserve judgement.
2. The fact that I hate Clifford doesn't mean that on this occasion he couldn't be the victim of the kind of thing he's made his living doing to others.
3. Our society is now appallingly litigious, and some people smell large amounts of money beyond lawsuits.
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Post by mistermack » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:54 am

Under-aged unfortunately doesn't mean under-sexed. Anything but.

I had a friend who had a thing with an under-aged girl, back in the sixties. He was about twenty, and she was well under sixteen. He said she left him standing, in the sex department, and was FAR more experienced than he was.

Some girls start young, and don't fancy boys of their own age. That's just a fact. And what they want, they will get.
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:35 pm

I think it's deliciously ironic that a man that has made his fortune advising others to kiss and tell is now being hoisted by his own petard. :tea:
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Re: Max Clifford charged with 11 indecent assaults

Post by John_fi_Skye » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:14 pm

mistermack wrote:Under-aged unfortunately doesn't mean under-sexed. Anything but.

I had a friend who had a thing with an under-aged girl, back in the sixties. He was about twenty, and she was well under sixteen. He said she left him standing, in the sex department, and was FAR more experienced than he was.

Some girls start young, and don't fancy boys of their own age. That's just a fact. And what they want, they will get.
When I was 17 and not getting nearly enough, a guy in my class was regularly shagging a 13-year-old. No doubt I was speaking out of pure jealousy, rather than any concern for his moral position, when I said to him, "Isn't she a bit young?" His reply was, "If they're big enough, they're old enough." :smoke:

Now, if he's eminent and wealthy today, 42 years later, while she has fallen on hard times, will she be instructing her solicitor? And what will the court find? :dunno:
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Post by Audley Strange » Wed May 01, 2013 9:03 am

I would hope they would find him guilty of child rape and I find it disturbing that you were jealous of someone because they were fucking a 13 year old girl.
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Post by JimC » Wed May 01, 2013 9:06 am

Audley Strange wrote:I would hope they would find him guilty of child rape and I find it disturbing that you were jealous of someone because they were fucking a 13 year old girl.
He was 17 at the time...

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed May 01, 2013 9:10 am

Fact is, under 16 and that is statutory rape.
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Post by JimC » Wed May 01, 2013 9:13 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:Fact is, under 16 and that is statutory rape.
True...

But John was only confessing to a momentary and understandable form of schoolboy jealousy, nothing else...
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Re: Max Clifford charged with 11 indecent assaults

Post by Rum » Wed May 01, 2013 11:03 am

The police rarely prosecute if both parties are under age or even if one is just over the lower ages limit and the other not. I know this from direct (professional!) experience.

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed May 01, 2013 11:36 am

Seems the police decreasingly prosecute anything these days, its too much hassle.
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