Blind groper wrote:Seth wrote:The United States has NEVER gone to war with another nation without serious provocation.
That very much depends on your definition of 'serious'. Historically, nations have gone to war numerous times based on assorted pretexts, which are as phoney as they come. The USA is no different (except that other western nations stopped that uncivilised behaviour some time back.).
Actually, it's very different.
Dubya attacked Iraq under the pretext of weapons of mass destruction. That was phoney.
No, it wasn't. Bush the Elder responded to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait according to our ally agreement with Kuwait. Saddam got pushed back and hostilities were put on hold but were conditioned on his full cooperation with UN inspections regarding WMD's he was both KNOWN to have and that he was suspected of having, or being in the process of developing. We know he had Sarin, which is a WMD, because he used it on the Kurds a decade earlier. He worked hard to convince everyone, including the Coalition, all of whom voted to reinstate hostilities, that he was developing both biological and nuclear WMDs, and he refused 14 times in 12 years to cooperate with UN WMD inspectors according to the cease-fire agreement. Therefore, Bush II in no way "attacked Iraq" under any pretext whatsoever. He restarted hostilities initiated by Saddam after 12 years of attempts to get him to comply with the cease fire agreement which Saddam brought upon himself by invading Kuwait.
So, once again your argument is completely fucked by historical facts.
He attacked Afghanistan because of 9/11, which sounds OK until you wake up to the fact that he totally failed to attack Al Qaeda, wich was behind 9/11.
Except that Al Qaeda was allied with the Taliban, which was itself engaging in gross humanitarian violations, and Osama was in fact IN Afghanistan at the time (at Tora Bora), so once again your argument is completely fucked by historical facts.
Dubya attacked Afghanistan purely to get himself re-relected, since the American people were screaming for drastic action at the time. He killed tens of thousands of people, including his own soldiers, for a war that was utterly pointless.
Wasn't pointless to me. We got Osama.
The same applies to most of the wars the USA started. They had a pretext, or rationalisation, but nothing real.
That's what you claim, but you're always wrong, which is why you don't bother to try to make your case. You're just spouting anti-American vitriol consisting of nothing more or less than your own biased and ignorance-based political agenda.
Meh.
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It was a convenient pretext, nothing more.
