Concealed Carry

[Gallstones]

If you can carry concealed, why get a permit?

If you can carry open, why get a CC?

If you have a CC permit, why can't you carry into the courthouse, or the post office, or a bar, or the drive through at the bank? What is the rationale for these particular restrictions?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you can carry concealed, why get a permit?

It's illegal here to carry concealed without a permit.

If you can carry open, why get a CC?

Because not everyone want to have a gun slung on their hip or in their armpit or over their butt.

If you have a CC permit, why can't you carry into the courthouse, or the post office, or a bar, or the drive through at the bank? What is the rationale for these particular restrictions?

Criminals in all those places.

[Wumbologist]

If you have a CC permit, why can't you carry into the courthouse, or the post office,

Those places are government property, which isn't the same thing as "public" property, and they have the right to say what one can and cannot do on that property, including carrying of firearms.

or a bar, or the drive through at the bank? What is the rationale for these particular restrictions?

I can carry in a bar, as long as I'm not intoxicated. I can carry in a bank drive-through, I can carry inside the bank itself. Those places are private property and they would be legally within their rights to tell me I cannot carry on their property, but if they do not, I can carry there. Here in MA, nobody tells me I can't, and even if they did, we don't have legally binding signage laws, so the worst they could do is ask me to leave... IF they knew I was carrying. But they don't, because it's concealed.

[Jason]

Oh yes.. I can see it now.

Alarmed and nearly frenzied cashier: "I was just wondering.. what's that long barrel and stock-like thing poking out of your trench coat? [finger frantically pressing the panic button]"

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh yes.. I can see it now.

Alarmed and nearly frenzied cashier: "I was just wondering.. what's that long barrel and stock-like thing poking out of your trench coat? [finger frantically pressing the panic button]"

I can fly armed if I give the airline 48 hours notice. If I need to travel faster than that packed I have to invoke vast and terrible powers. I don't do that lightly.

[Gallstones]

If you can carry concealed, why get a permit?

It's illegal here to carry concealed without a permit.

Yes, yes, yes.....but it is concealed, just like the criminals do it.

If you can carry open, why get a CC?

Because not everyone want to have a gun slung on their hip or in their armpit or over their butt.

There's some would say that gun nuts want to show it off.

BTW Mr Zilla, where then does one carry it concealed?

[Gallstones]

If you have a CC permit, why can't you carry into the courthouse, or the post office,

Those places are government property, which isn't the same thing as "public" property, and they have the right to say what one can and cannot do on that property, including carrying of firearms.

County courthouse, state capitol building....public property.
Now, if the state of Montana feels comfortable issuing me a CC then why can't I carry it into the buildings I co-own with the other tax paying citizens of the county and the state?

And if it is concealed, how will they know?
We don't have metal detectors.

or a bar, or the drive through at the bank? What is the rationale for these particular restrictions?

I can carry in a bar, as long as I'm not intoxicated. I can carry in a bank drive-through, I can carry inside the bank itself. Those places are private property and they would be legally within their rights to tell me I cannot carry on their property, but if they do not, I can carry there. Here in MA, nobody tells me I can't, and even if they did, we don't have legally binding signage laws, so the worst they could do is ask me to leave... IF they knew I was carrying. But they don't, because it's concealed.

In Montanan we can't carry into bars whether one is the designated driver or not, or bank drive throughs.

I like the MA rule, if it doesn't say you can't then you can. Simple and easy to understand.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you can carry concealed, why get a permit?

It's illegal here to carry concealed without a permit.

Yes, yes, yes.....but it is concealed, just like the criminals do it.

Okay then, no problem carrying if you can do the time when/if you get busted.

If you can carry open, why get a CC?

Because not everyone want to have a gun slung on their hip or in their armpit or over their butt.

There's some would say that gun nuts want to show it off.

BTW Mr Zilla, where then does one carry it concealed?

Wherever it doesn't show, of course. A belt holster is concealed carry if you have a jacket or coat on. I had to show one person I was armed once when I was in a nice suit. The small of the back holster, same thing, only more so. I prefer this one when I'm flying because it's held securely even if I'm asleep. The flight attendants appreciate that. Armpit holster, again it depends on what you're wearing whether or not its a concealed carry. I used to have a wallet that I wore like a shoulder holster when I visited certain countries where pickpockets were rife.

[Coito ergo sum]

If you can carry concealed, why get a permit?

Well, because a permit is required, or one would be breaking the law by carrying a concealed weapon on one's person. The idea, I think, was that weapons should be carried openly so that others can see that you were armed. Dirtbags carried their weapons "concealed", and that's why there were laws originally against sawed off shotguns and Saturday Night Specials, and whatnot. It was generally thought better to carry weapons in view, because people are less likely to be surprised by a weapon carried like that, as opposed to one pulled out of a pocket.

If you can carry open, why get a CC?

If you want to carry your weapon concealed, and the law requires a CC permit, then I supposed you'd get a CC permit to carry it concealed. If you're content carrying it open, then there would be no need.

If you have a CC permit, why can't you carry into the courthouse, or the post office, or a bar, or the drive through at the bank? What is the rationale for these particular restrictions?

With a courthouse, it's so that force or threat of force of arms doesn't come into play during a court case, and there are no implicit threats to the judge or jury in the building. With regard to a bank, I think it's because they have the money in there, and it's a good idea to keep guns out of there due to the fact that people tend to want to use them to rob stuff. As for the post office, it's probably just because it falls under the rubric of a federal building, and rather than just address courthouses, the legislature made a blanket rule for all federal buildings.

[amused]

I'm a little confuzzled. From what I can tell, in Texas you can't carry handguns open unless you are going TO your car. They didn't say anything about what applies if you are carrying open FROM your car to wherever you are going. So, I can buy a handgun and carry open to my car, but apparently I can't take it out of the car and carry it open to my home. But I need to take it to the shooting range a few times to practice for the CC license, and can't carry it concealed or open. WTF?

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm a little confuzzled. From what I can tell, in Texas you can't carry handguns open unless you are going TO your car. They didn't say anything about what applies if you are carrying open FROM your car to wherever you are going. So, I can buy a handgun and carry open to my car, but apparently I can't take it out of the car and carry it open to my home. But I need to take it to the shooting range a few times to practice for the CC license, and can't carry it concealed or open. WTF?

Texas State Constitution says: Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.

Texas State laws take precedence over local restrictions, except localities/municipalities may regulate the carrying of firearms In public parks; At public meetings of a county, municipality or other governmental body; At a political rally, parade or official political meeting; At a nonfirearm-related school, college or professional athletic event.

I am not sure what the specific rule is in Texas, but I don't think you can carry a side-arm openly in Texas without a permit, and I think concealed carry requires a permit. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. That would apply to handguns. Rifles can be open carried, I think. And, I'm sure you can carry your new gun, unloaded, in a box, from the store to your car, and from your car to your house, and transport it concealed in the car to a range or to a hunting area.

[Svartalf]

Oh yes.. I can see it now.

Alarmed and nearly frenzied cashier: "I was just wondering.. what's that long barrel and stock-like thing poking out of your trench coat? [finger frantically pressing the panic button]"

I can fly armed if I give the airline 48 hours notice. If I need to travel faster than that packed I have to invoke vast and terrible powers. I don't do that lightly.

You're deputized as a sky marshal?

[Wumbologist]

Wherever it doesn't show, of course. A belt holster is concealed carry if you have a jacket or coat on. I had to show one person I was armed once when I was in a nice suit. The small of the back holster, same thing, only more so. I prefer this one when I'm flying because it's held securely even if I'm asleep. The flight attendants appreciate that. Armpit holster, again it depends on what you're wearing whether or not its a concealed carry. I used to have a wallet that I wore like a shoulder holster when I visited certain countries where pickpockets were rife.

What's wrong with a pocket holster?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You're deputized as a sky marshal?

Nope, but I can act as one if the situation calls for it. I travel armed when I'm moving sensitive materials. (And there may or may not be someone else with no obvious connection to me on the same flight.)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Wherever it doesn't show, of course. A belt holster is concealed carry if you have a jacket or coat on. I had to show one person I was armed once when I was in a nice suit. The small of the back holster, same thing, only more so. I prefer this one when I'm flying because it's held securely even if I'm asleep. The flight attendants appreciate that. Armpit holster, again it depends on what you're wearing whether or not its a concealed carry. I used to have a wallet that I wore like a shoulder holster when I visited certain countries where pickpockets were rife.

What's wrong with a pocket holster?

I'd need to see it before I could say anything about it. Show me what you got?