Iran is Coming! -Derail Nuclear weapon discussion
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Good idea, but they ain't going to cross the pond anyway; it is all hyperbole...
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Uh, wait? I like that my thread has lasted this long, but how did it go pear shaped like this?
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Gawd moves in mysterious ways...Svartalf wrote:Uh, wait? I like that my thread has lasted this long, but how did it go pear shaped like this?
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There is no gawd, and even Zilla is legend
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You really think they'd get killed in Florida?Gawd wrote:Typical Ian and making light of the monstrous deaths of non-Americans.
I bet they dock in Cuba just to piss the US off.
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Good point about Cuba, except that the Iranians don't much like communists...Robert_S wrote:You really think they'd get killed in Florida?Gawd wrote:Typical Ian and making light of the monstrous deaths of non-Americans.
I bet they dock in Cuba just to piss the US off.
However, the old "enemy of my enemy" principle may apply...
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Should that ever be a valid reason for murdering 200,000 civilians?Ian wrote:Uh-huh. Have you any idea how many more people would have died in Operations Olympic and Coronet had the war NOT been brought to an abrupt end?
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Any serious study of the Pacific war agrees that the death toll (both Allied and Japanese) if Japan had not surrended after the 2 atomic strikes would be far higher than the tolal of the weapons themselves....Pappa wrote:Should that ever be a valid reason for murdering 200,000 civilians?Ian wrote:Uh-huh. Have you any idea how many more people would have died in Operations Olympic and Coronet had the war NOT been brought to an abrupt end?
And murdering is a pointlessly emotive word in the WW2 context; civilian casualties from airstrikes and other military actions were part of the gestalt...
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Folks, if there's going to be a barney over dropping the bomb, I really think we need another thread for that one. A very big thread. 
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What JimC said.Pappa wrote:Should that ever be a valid reason for murdering 200,000 civilians?Ian wrote:Uh-huh. Have you any idea how many more people would have died in Operations Olympic and Coronet had the war NOT been brought to an abrupt end?
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You think Japan would've called it quits over nothing more than threats and wishful thinking? Oh please.
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No, I'm asking whether voluntarily killing thousands of completely innocent civilians is ever right in any context. You seem to think it is.Ian wrote:What JimC said.Pappa wrote:Should that ever be a valid reason for murdering 200,000 civilians?Ian wrote:Uh-huh. Have you any idea how many more people would have died in Operations Olympic and Coronet had the war NOT been brought to an abrupt end?
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Blame it on my Monday morning grumpiness.
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You seem to think war should be nice Pap. The idea is to kill as many of the other fuckers as possible.
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It's not right, but it was necessary, there is a very thin distinction between the two, and a lot of those people would have died in the carpet bombing of Japanese cities with conventional weapons had the atomic bombs not been used.Pappa wrote:No, I'm asking whether voluntarily killing thousands of completely innocent civilians is ever right in any context. You seem to think it is.Ian wrote:What JimC said.Pappa wrote:Should that ever be a valid reason for murdering 200,000 civilians?Ian wrote:Uh-huh. Have you any idea how many more people would have died in Operations Olympic and Coronet had the war NOT been brought to an abrupt end?
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You think Japan would've called it quits over nothing more than threats and wishful thinking? Oh please.
Not a justification, just a historical probability, the soviet army was sweeping across manchuria, the Americans had a massive force assembled on the other side, it would have been every bit as bloody whichever method was used.
The atomic route saved allied lives, the Japanese received the same consideration they gave to their enemies. Not nice, but as I said, necessary.
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But the rules of war are clear that civilians are not to be targets. I know that this rule is broken in all wars, but it still doesn't make it right.Azathoth wrote:You seem to think war should be nice Pap. The idea is to kill as many of the other fuckers as possible.
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