US Philadelphia Student Carrying Legal Firearm Shoots It Out

[mistermack]

Your statement was pretty clear. You didn't own or carry a gun because you're not a gun owner or a psycho, and in England you have adult debates about things, as opposed to the "infantile" United States.

What the fuck are we supposed to think, with every second post coming from Seth?

[Wumbologist]

Your statement was pretty clear. You didn't own or carry a gun because you're not a gun owner or a psycho, and in England you have adult debates about things, as opposed to the "infantile" United States.

What the fuck are we supposed to think, with every second post coming from Seth?

Well, you COULD start with thinking that Seth might not be representative of every American gun owner, their opinions, or their philosophies. A lot to ask, I know.

[mistermack]

Your statement was pretty clear. You didn't own or carry a gun because you're not a gun owner or a psycho, and in England you have adult debates about things, as opposed to the "infantile" United States.

What the fuck are we supposed to think, with every second post coming from Seth?

Well, you COULD start with thinking that Seth might not be representative of every American gun owner, their opinions, or their philosophies. A lot to ask, I know.

What a thought !

[JimC]

Car ownership is quite strictly contolled in the UK (not strict enough through), 17 is way to young the minimum age should be 21. not to mention no one has a right to drive a car

A 16 year old is perfectly capable of driving a car, and learning responsible driving habits when young is far better than waiting until one is 21.

The best way to do it is to have an early drivers permit at, like 15 1/2 years old, that allows a kid to drive only when a parent or guardian is in the car supervising them, and only in the daytime.

Expand the privilege every 6 months to a year a little bit. Supervised nighttime driving at 16 or 16 1/2. Add a mandatory driver training course, and then allow unsupervised daytime driving to and from school or work at 17. Restrict driving privileges if a traffic infraction occurs. Require a decent driving test to ensure that the person can control the vehicle.

To wait until 21, especially in areas where people need cars to get places (like most of the US) - not allowing a person to drive until 21 would pretty much make it impossible for them to get to work or college.

In our state, Victoria, you can get a learner's permit at 16 (by passing a road rules test). Then you have to do a mandatory minimum of 120 hours of supervised driving, and fill in a log book before you can do a driving test, and get a probationary license at 18. For the first year, there are various restrictions on how many passengers you can have and speed, and a zero blood alcohol policy. So it is somewhat graduated as you suggested. I think it's a good idea (our youngest is almost 17, and doing lots of supervied driving). Statistically, you still get a spike in accidents in the first few years of holding a license, but that doesn't mean that the sensible majority of young drivers should be restricted more than they already are.

[tattuchu]

Of course I've never carried one, as I'm neither a psychopath nor paranoid. Fortunately, I live in a country where a grown up debate about guns has been possible, unlike the infantile United States, where guns "protect us from gubmint tyranny" and any proposed restriction is met with howls of protest from deluded zealots.

I love you so much, Hux

[Clinton Huxley]

Tat, you are a gentleman.

[Coito ergo sum]

Of course I've never carried one, as I'm neither a psychopath nor paranoid. Fortunately, I live in a country where a grown up debate about guns has been possible, unlike the infantile United States, where guns "protect us from gubmint tyranny" and any proposed restriction is met with howls of protest from deluded zealots.

I love you so much, Hux

Damn your black heart, Huxley!!!

[Clinton Huxley]

CES, you know I love you like the crazy uncle I keep locked in the attic that I never had.

[Coito ergo sum]

Limey bastard....

[klr]

[Clinton Huxley]

Limey bastard....

Time for your mashed banana. At least we let you use your own spoon. We dont trust seth

[Coito ergo sum]

What's that you say? A deep-fried mashed banana and peanut butter sandwich? (err...uh...that's "butty" to you beefeaters).



I'll take two!

[Clinton Huxley]

You had to mention peanut butter. Im becoming addicted to it.

[Coito ergo sum]

You had to mention peanut butter. Im becoming addicted to it.

...wish I could find me some good British peanut butter...

...all the stuff I find around my home is just an inferior imitation...

I'm with you on the peanut butter, though. I own one of these -- http://www.vitamix.com/ - it allows me to take a couple of scoops of peanuts, put it in the mixer, and in about 3 or 4 minutes, I have peanut butter - or anything else, like, almond butter, and whatnot. Om...nom....uh - nom.

[Clinton Huxley]

On the issue of peanut butter, I am prepared to concede