What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You mistake the concept of individual liberty as being "lone wolf." It's not. People tend towards organization and social structure in order to secure the blessings of liberty to the maximum extent possible for each person consisted with ordered liberty.

Unless they're libertarian.

[MrJonno]

You mistake the concept of individual liberty as being "lone wolf." It's not. People tend towards organization and social structure in order to secure the blessings of liberty to the maximum extent possible for each person consisted with ordered liberty

No most people on a day to day basis don't give a toss about liberty are are more concerned about having a job, food , shelter and medical care. People tend towards organisation to survive as human beings alone really arent very good at this and our large brains allowing us to work together to get over the disadvantage of our frail bodies

[Coito ergo sum]

V for Vendetta, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/, is one of my favorite movies of all times. If you've never watched it, you should. This film should be played in the UN for America and Israel to watch these coming weeks as they oppress the Palestinians yet again and continue to steal their homes. Don't worry, one of the lead characters in V for Vendetta, Natalie Portman, is Jewish.

Watch V for Vendetta and see that the Guy Fawkes character shows that "terrorism" is a legitimate means for political change when you are continually oppressed and repressed.

I've asked you many times for the slightest bit of proof that someone's house was stolen. You've never presented it. You keep making that unsubstantiated allegation. Just repeating it over and over again was good enough for Hitler, I suppose.

And, are you saying that Palestinians are engaged in terrorism? Yes?

[Seth]

You mistake the concept of individual liberty as being "lone wolf." It's not. People tend towards organization and social structure in order to secure the blessings of liberty to the maximum extent possible for each person consisted with ordered liberty.

Unless they're libertarian.

Which statement merely demonstrates that you too know fuck-all about Libertarianism and prefer to lie about it to suit your collectivist agenda.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You mistake the concept of individual liberty as being "lone wolf." It's not. People tend towards organization and social structure in order to secure the blessings of liberty to the maximum extent possible for each person consisted with ordered liberty.

Unless they're libertarian.

Which statement merely demonstrates that you too know fuck-all about Libertarianism and prefer to lie about it to suit your collectivist agenda.

I don't have to lie about it, I let you do that.

[Seth]

You mistake the concept of individual liberty as being "lone wolf." It's not. People tend towards organization and social structure in order to secure the blessings of liberty to the maximum extent possible for each person consisted with ordered liberty

No most people on a day to day basis don't give a toss about liberty are are more concerned about having a job, food , shelter and medical care.

I don't know what fucking despotic sewer you and the people you know (who hardly represent the majority of anything) live in, but you don't speak for "most people" and I guarantee you that on this side of the pond, people are largely unwilling to sacrifice their liberty for a little temporary safety, as demonstrated by the fact that, for example, only 40 percent of those eligible for direct government food aid choose to take part in the system, preferring to maintain their liberty, privacy, dignity and honor by making do in ways that don't involve sucking at the government teat.

People tend towards organisation to survive as human beings alone really arent very good at this and our large brains allowing us to work together to get over the disadvantage of our frail bodies

You keep erroneously assuming that the concept of "organisation" (sic) and humans working together and individual liberty are mutually contradictory. They aren't. But I'm not even going to bother explaining it to you because I already know that you're simply too dense to understand even the relatively simple philosophical and logical arguments involved.

You go right on thinking that collectivism is the natural order of mankind, I don't give a fuck. Fortunately, I don't live anywhere near that shithole of despotism and despair that you live in, where people have no independence, no liberty, no dignity and no rights, and I'm happy for you to stew in your own juices.

And next time a Hitler or a Hirohito or a Hussein comes along with the intention of, and capacity for squashing your little island and you along wiht it like an overripe grape, don't come looking to the US to come and bail you out like we have twice before. You're on your own. There's only so much we can do to save fuckwits from themselves. After a while we just have to quarantine them to keep the infection from spreading elsewhere.

[Seth]

You mistake the concept of individual liberty as being "lone wolf." It's not. People tend towards organization and social structure in order to secure the blessings of liberty to the maximum extent possible for each person consisted with ordered liberty.

Unless they're libertarian.

Which statement merely demonstrates that you too know fuck-all about Libertarianism and prefer to lie about it to suit your collectivist agenda.

I don't have to lie about it, I let you do that.

Like I said, you know fuck-all about Libertarianism, you lie about it all the time because you can't formulate a rational or logical argument either against Libertarianism or for that matter in favor of socialism.

So you just hurl Alinsky-style slurs and insults as a weak substitute for reason. Pretty typical of ignorant Leftists.

[Robert_S]

Can we please get back on topic.

My political opinion of V for Vendetta is that Natalie Portman looks better with short hair and that there should be a law requiring her to keep it short. Also, she needs to do more rap videos.

[MrJonno]

You go right on thinking that collectivism is the natural order of mankind, I don't give a fuck

Whether you give a fuck or not it quite plainly is, and as individuals on there own can't achieve shit including surviving very well its probably worth caring about society survives

[Hermit]

Watch V for Vendetta and see that the Guy Fawkes character shows that "terrorism" is a legitimate means for political change when you are continually oppressed and repressed.

V certainly makes that point, but I don't see the connection between the character, V, blowing up parliament on the one hand and a bunch of middle-class, Saudi Arabian loonies bringing down two huge, civilian buildings, killing 3000 office workers in the process on the other. Last time I looked, the victims, situated in the USA, had fuckall effect on the latters, or their country's oppression or repression. Had it been the Saudi "freedom fighters'" motive to do away with repression and oppression, they ought to have aimed the aeroplanes at the 200 or so descendants of King Abdul-Aziz who constitute the kernel of the royal House of Saud which is responsible for said oppression and repression there.

[MrJonno]

I thought the main point of V isnt the evil government is the evil/stupid public who just loved having someone to blame for all their problems (Muslims, foreigners etc).

Basically the entire population of the UK turned into one big tea party (it required religion which seems pretty unlikely in the UK). A far more realistic version of this is Ben Elton book Blind Faith which managed to portray a British fascist state (and world) that uses a version of christianity which combined lots of sex and the celeb/reality tv

[Hermit]

I thought the main point of V isnt the evil government is the evil/stupid public who just loved having someone to blame for all their problems (Muslims, foreigners etc).

Basically the entire population of the UK turned into one big tea party (it required religion which seems pretty unlikely in the UK). A far more realistic version of this is Ben Elton book Blind Faith which managed to portray a British fascist state (and world) that uses a version of christianity which combined lots of sex and the celeb/reality tv

Can someone translate this for me please? Either English or German will do.

[Jason]

Different opinion branch I think.

It seems to me he's looking for a parallel to real life in V and suggests that a better one is found in the book he named.

[MrJonno]

Put it another way, there is no such thing as an evil government only an evil/indifferenet people that form it. Hitler didnt kill a single person in WW2, millions of his followers did or at least turned a blind eye to others doing so

[Robert_S]

I thought the main point of V isnt the evil government is the evil/stupid public who just loved having someone to blame for all their problems (Muslims, foreigners etc).

Basically the entire population of the UK turned into one big tea party (it required religion which seems pretty unlikely in the UK). A far more realistic version of this is Ben Elton book Blind Faith which managed to portray a British fascist state (and world) that uses a version of christianity which combined lots of sex and the celeb/reality tv

Can someone translate this for me please? Either English or German will do.

In V, the hero led the citizens of the UK to take on their own government and their own corrupt religious leaders. In Gawd's posts, he calls for the entire Islamic world (and a few self-hating Jews) to destroy the US and Israel.

For Gawd to apply what's in the movie, he should target the corrupt governments and religious leaders in the area of the world where his sympathies lay.

I guarantee it Gawd: kill off enough of these clerics who hold the ME in the grip of the 5th century , and all the nations in the region will find it easier to compete with the nations in the 21st century.