US Philadelphia Student Carrying Legal Firearm Shoots It Out

[Clinton Huxley]

Apparently, the "Yoof" no longer aspire to car ownership as much as once they did. They'd rather have the latest smart-phone, if they had to choose between the two.

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

Which one?

Don't mind - does the US Army need a few thousand chavs?

[Coito ergo sum]

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

And, dress them all like this.

[laklak]

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

Hear hear. Spot of discipline never hurt the lower orders.

[Svartalf]

I can't bear the thought of those deer creatures being killed.

I knew some turkey would say that.

Dunno, I do my wild turkey hunting at the bottom of bottles.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Apparently, the "Yoof" no longer aspire to car ownership as much as once they did. They'd rather have the latest smart-phone, if they had to choose between the two.

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

Which one?

Don't mind - does the US Army need a few thousand chavs?

We could use them for minesweepingclearing.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I can't bear the thought of those deer creatures being killed.

I knew some turkey would say that.

Dunno, I do my wild turkey hunting at the bottom of bottles.

Don't you know that shit will rot your mind, curve your spine and lose the war for the Allies?

[Clinton Huxley]

Apparently, the "Yoof" no longer aspire to car ownership as much as once they did. They'd rather have the latest smart-phone, if they had to choose between the two.

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

Which one?

Don't mind - does the US Army need a few thousand chavs?

We could use them for minesweepingclearing.

A Huxley Industries sales rep is on the way....

[Coito ergo sum]

Apparently, the "Yoof" no longer aspire to car ownership as much as once they did. They'd rather have the latest smart-phone, if they had to choose between the two.

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

Which one?

Don't mind - does the US Army need a few thousand chavs?

We could use them for minesweepingclearing.

I hear mine-vacuuming is much less labor intensive and faster than sweeping.

[Svartalf]

I can't bear the thought of those deer creatures being killed.

I knew some turkey would say that.

Dunno, I do my wild turkey hunting at the bottom of bottles.

Don't you know that shit will rot your mind, curve your spine and lose the war for the Allies?

Mebbe, but do you know how much you'll have to cough up for a flask of Old Rip van Winkle, when there's any to be found?

[mistermack]

Whatever. I've held hunting licenses in 4 states, got my first one over 40 years ago so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, You, however, having never hunted, never owned a gun and living in the UK, are naturally an expert in U.S. state hunting legislation. After all, you found a U-Tube video of some guy hunting canned bear, so that's how they all must do it. I'll make sure to tell all my bear hunting acquaintances up in the Blue Ridge that they've been doing it wrong all these years, they don't need those off-road pickups or 4 wheelers and they can get rid of those packs of specially bred bear dogs. Damn things cost a fortune to feed, you know. I'll tell them to climb a tree and stake a chicken out below, then they can kill bears quicker than they can load and fire.

Laklak, you must be full of crap, because you obviously don't mind sharing it.
There are page after page on youtube of how to set bait for bears. And I've seen documentary film of bear hunters in Minnesota, where they "hunt" in exactly the way that C&W cunt did, from a platform up a tree, with bait in a barrel.
Here is just a couple of pages of how to bait. There are loads of others linked on the page:

Bear bait barrel

Tree stand preperation and bear feeding and baiting tips

It seems that you've been a bit economical with the truth. Why does that not surprise me?
You must have some shame then.

[Wumbologist]

Nobody gets into their car to commit a massacre, at a school or university say, with the intention of running dozens of people over.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-10/ ... bus-driver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10837287

[Wumbologist]

Unlikely about the chance of me meeting a gun armed criminal

The chance of you meeting a "gun armed" criminal is irrelevent, this argument is stupid and you know it's stupid, because I've explained how stupid it is to you before.

If you meet a criminal armed with only his fists, but he is bigger/stronger/faster than you, he can hurt you or kill you just as well as a "gun armed" criminal. Even better if he has a knife, a hammer, a crow bar, a lead pipe, a broken pint glass, a piano wire, a rock, an ice pick, etc etc etc. Your chance of being a victim of violent crime in general is what is important, not your chance of being a victim of violent crime with one particular weapon. And, as I recall you saying, you have been a victim of violent crime several times in the past, at least once requiring hospitalization. Clearly, this is a far more serious problem for you than the risk of being a plane crash victim.

[MrJonno]

Unlikely about the chance of me meeting a gun armed criminal

The chance of you meeting a "gun armed" criminal is irrelevent, this argument is stupid and you know it's stupid, because I've explained how stupid it is to you before.

If you meet a criminal armed with only his fists, but he is bigger/stronger/faster than you, he can hurt you or kill you just as well as a "gun armed" criminal. Even better if he has a knife, a hammer, a crow bar, a lead pipe, a broken pint glass, a piano wire, a rock, an ice pick, etc etc etc. Your chance of being a victim of violent crime in general is what is important, not your chance of being a victim of violent crime with one particular weapon. And, as I recall you saying, you have been a victim of violent crime several times in the past, at least once requiring hospitalization. Clearly, this is a far more serious problem for you than the risk of being a plane crash victim.

Fair enough, your chances of being a victim of crime where there is anything you can do about it regardless of what you are carrying or not carrying is about the same as being in plane crash, ie if you are walking down the street and someone suddenly sticks a knife/gun/fist at your throat and demands money there isnt a lot you can do about it. If you are going around looking for people who are about to do this they thats a one way try to loony bin, typically I must go pass 1000's of people each day who are in a position to mug me just have the time or desire to think about it

[Seth]

Mass murder. Ok so if it’s numbers that count. I will ask it another way

If you had a choice, press a magic button to prevent road deaths or gun deaths. Which button do you choose?

I don't do magic button exercises.

Both can be addressed on their own merit, and need not affect how we address the other.

If we're talking about deliberately killing people with a vehicle or with a gun, both clearly ought to be prevented if possible.

Same applies to accidental killing with a vehicle or with a gun, obviously.

Of course. But since far more cars are used to kill people than guns, why the focus on banning guns not cars?

Road deaths are an active process. It’s not as if too little is done to fight poverty or disease, people killed on roads are killed actively. Mostly by carelessness (not psycopathy ), but does that make their deaths less morally wrong?

Is that killing by guns is immoral, but killing by car is moral?[/quote]
Morality .. hmmm ... accidental (careless, as you put it) killing can be eliminated here, as there's no motive involved. So to intentional killing ... by car or by gun ... mostly wrong, but there could be exceptions related to self defense.[/quote]

Sure often (though, not always) the numbers per incident are small, one here, two there, numbers spread out. But overall the numbers are several orders of magnitude higher than gun deaths (even including so-called combat conditions)

IIRC the WHO quotes road deaths as the third biggest killer.

Yes, but most, if not all road deaths are accidental/careless, not intentional. Can the same be said for gun related deaths?

Does it matter? All intentional unlawful killings using guns are committed by criminals, not by law-abiding citizens, ipso facto. How does the "intentionality" of gun deaths support the argument that they must be banned, given the fact that less than one one-thousandth of one percent of all guns in the US are ever used to intentionally and unlawfully kill someone, and accidental gun deaths and injuries are down more than 97 percent since 1900, and continue to fall every year to the point where accidental gun deaths are way, way down the list of preventable accidental deaths?

[Seth]

Deliberately owning or carrying a weapon is not the same as deliberately owning or driving a car. I don't get into my car thinking about how I would run someone over if I had to. The psychology of driving a car and carrying a gun are different.

So what? And I doubt you know what the "psychology" of carrying a gun actually is because I doubt you've ever carried one or been trained to do so in a civilian self-defense mode.

Here's a clue from someone who has been trained and does carry a concealed handgun every single day, and has done so for a quarter-century: I don't strap on my gun thinking about going out and killing someone any more than you get in your car thinking about doing so. I carry it so that in the unlikely eventuality that I should be called upon to defend my or someone else's life against a criminal act, I will have an appropriate tool for the job. And my car is exactly the same thing, because yes, I do consider how I might use my car as a DEFENSIVE weapon were I attacked.

Am I prepared to take someone's life at need? Yes, absolutely. If you're not, don't carry a gun. But it's a last-resort DEFENSIVE weapon, not something that makes my palms itch to shoot it out with somebody. I've never had to shoot anybody and I fervently pray that I never will have to, but like owning a fire extinguisher, I'm trained and prepared to do so if the situation calls for it because it will be the only way to save an innocent life.

Now, how does that "psychology of carrying a gun" support an argument for banning them? And if you manage the mental gymnastics and irrationality needed to come up with some excuse, then how do you justify ANYONE, including the police and the military, carrying guns, ever?