US Philadelphia Student Carrying Legal Firearm Shoots It Out

[colubridae]

AFAICR I’m the only one who has ever raised the hideous spectre of road deaths on the forum.
I’ve only ever done it in response to squalid little arguments about the paltry (by comparison) number of war/gun deaths.
By contrast hundreds of pages of bs have been posted on much lesser issues.

No-one has ever sided with me, despite being utterly unable to counter my points with valid criticism.
The most I’ve got is a wishy-washy pitiful ‘Well… hmmmm… it all depends on intent’
In the name of Owen Glendwr I claim the moral high ground.

You can all kiss my welsh ass, and as extra punishment you can kiss pappa’s as well.



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[MrJonno]

Car ownership is quite strictly contolled in the UK (not strict enough through), 17 is way to young the minimum age should be 21. not to mention no one has a right to drive a car

[JimC]

Car ownership is quite strictly contolled in the UK (not strict enough through), 17 is way to young the minimum age should be 21. not to mention no one has a right to drive a car

Somewhat over the top and nannyish...

There are indeed people whose actions demonstrate that they should be deprived of a license immediately. Some are young, some are old...

It may well be that the various regulations and laws around vehicle licensing could be tightened with a pragmatic reduction in road deaths. However, there are a vast number of sensible 18 year olds who can drive well, effectively and safely, and until they demonstrate clear and obvious disregard for the law, I am not going to step on their toes.

[mistermack]

That's bollocks. Hunting usually means putting out bait, and waiting for the bears in a safe platform up a tree.

I'm not a bear hunter, but I've never seen them hunted like that. Matter of fact it's illegal to bait in any state I know of. Bear hunting usually is a group effort, several individuals or groups with dogs and radios. It isn't easy.

That's bollocks too. Baiting is the normal method. How the fuck do you think they sell these off-the-peg tree platforms if you can't bait?
This case went to court, but there was no charge of baiting :

[mistermack]

Car ownership is quite strictly contolled in the UK (not strict enough through), 17 is way to young the minimum age should be 21. not to mention no one has a right to drive a car

Somewhat over the top and nannyish...

There are indeed people whose actions demonstrate that they should be deprived of a license immediately. Some are young, some are old...

It may well be that the various regulations and laws around vehicle licensing could be tightened with a pragmatic reduction in road deaths. However, there are a vast number of sensible 18 year olds who can drive well, effectively and safely, and until they demonstrate clear and obvious disregard for the law, I am not going to step on their toes.

The people who know, the insurance companies, would disagree.
18 year olds are almost impossible to insure in this country now, especially if you live in a high accident area.
It generally means that the parents have them on their own policies, and even that is hugely expensive.

[Clinton Huxley]

I wouldn't let anyone under 40 or over 60 drive a car

[laklak]

That's bollocks. Hunting usually means putting out bait, and waiting for the bears in a safe platform up a tree.

I'm not a bear hunter, but I've never seen them hunted like that. Matter of fact it's illegal to bait in any state I know of. Bear hunting usually is a group effort, several individuals or groups with dogs and radios. It isn't easy.

That's bollocks too. Baiting is the normal method. How the fuck do you think they sell these off-the-peg tree platforms if you can't bait?
This case went to court, but there was no charge of baiting :

Whatever. I've held hunting licenses in 4 states, got my first one over 40 years ago so I probably don't know what I'm talking about, You, however, having never hunted, never owned a gun and living in the UK, are naturally an expert in U.S. state hunting legislation. After all, you found a U-Tube video of some guy hunting canned bear, so that's how they all must do it. I'll make sure to tell all my bear hunting acquaintances up in the Blue Ridge that they've been doing it wrong all these years, they don't need those off-road pickups or 4 wheelers and they can get rid of those packs of specially bred bear dogs. Damn things cost a fortune to feed, you know. I'll tell them to climb a tree and stake a chicken out below, then they can kill bears quicker than they can load and fire.

[Clinton Huxley]

These creatures need to be integrated into human society, not marginalised and killed. You could call it Bear in the Commnunity.

[laklak]

I can't bear the thought of those deer creatures being killed.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I can't bear the thought of those deer creatures being killed.

I knew some turkey would say that.

[Coito ergo sum]

I wouldn't let anyone under 40 or over 60 drive a car

We would solve the unemployment crisis if we required every person who needs to get somewhere in a car to have a private driver. We could then use a few hundred billion dollars in government stimulus money to train the unemployed to drive properly, and subsidize drivers for low income folks.

That's the way the US economy is run these days anyway. We make a tax code so complicated that we each need to hire someone to fill out our tax forms. Why not just create another service industry and have done with it. Think of how the GDP would increase if we just printed another trillion dollars. We'd print ourselves out of another recession (or risk thereof), and all the new jobs would generate taxes which would pay for itself. A veritable perpetual motion machine. That's what we're told stimulus does, anyway....

[Coito ergo sum]

Car ownership is quite strictly contolled in the UK (not strict enough through), 17 is way to young the minimum age should be 21. not to mention no one has a right to drive a car

Somewhat over the top and nannyish...

There are indeed people whose actions demonstrate that they should be deprived of a license immediately. Some are young, some are old...

It may well be that the various regulations and laws around vehicle licensing could be tightened with a pragmatic reduction in road deaths. However, there are a vast number of sensible 18 year olds who can drive well, effectively and safely, and until they demonstrate clear and obvious disregard for the law, I am not going to step on their toes.

The people who know, the insurance companies, would disagree.
18 year olds are almost impossible to insure in this country now, especially if you live in a high accident area.
It generally means that the parents have them on their own policies, and even that is hugely expensive.

That's not fair to 18 year olds who don't have parents, or whose parents don't have insurance policies. The answer is to start a National Car Insurance Service and have the government provide everyone with car insurance, even if they don't normally drive a car, just in case they might drive one. Then we'll pay for all that insurance with tax money, and the insurance rates will clearly go down considerably, less money will be spent on car repairs, and it will help the economy. Car insurance is a right that should be cost free at the point of purchase.

[Clinton Huxley]

Apparently, the "Yoof" no longer aspire to car ownership as much as once they did. They'd rather have the latest smart-phone, if they had to choose between the two.

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

[Coito ergo sum]

Car ownership is quite strictly contolled in the UK (not strict enough through), 17 is way to young the minimum age should be 21. not to mention no one has a right to drive a car

A 16 year old is perfectly capable of driving a car, and learning responsible driving habits when young is far better than waiting until one is 21.

The best way to do it is to have an early drivers permit at, like 15 1/2 years old, that allows a kid to drive only when a parent or guardian is in the car supervising them, and only in the daytime.

Expand the privilege every 6 months to a year a little bit. Supervised nighttime driving at 16 or 16 1/2. Add a mandatory driver training course, and then allow unsupervised daytime driving to and from school or work at 17. Restrict driving privileges if a traffic infraction occurs. Require a decent driving test to ensure that the person can control the vehicle.

To wait until 21, especially in areas where people need cars to get places (like most of the US) - not allowing a person to drive until 21 would pretty much make it impossible for them to get to work or college.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Apparently, the "Yoof" no longer aspire to car ownership as much as once they did. They'd rather have the latest smart-phone, if they had to choose between the two.

Personally, I'd stick 'em all in the Army.

Which one?