Should Iran make a pre-emptive strike in Israel & USA?
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I'm wondering Gawd, what do you think the outcome of an Iranian attack on the US would be? What would you hope to accomplish? You get, what, a couple bombs off? Maybe kill like 100 people. We can have an ICBM in every single city and every single Military compound in Iran within minutes of any aggression. We can track every move any troop makes from space. We can turn the entirety of Iran into glass if we so desired. We spend more on our military than the entire rest of the world COMBINED.
What would you hope to accomplish, other than suicide?
What would you hope to accomplish, other than suicide?
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Re: Should Iran make a pre-emptive strike in Israel & USA?
Mahou, Gawd was being cruelly ironic in order to accentuate the inherently evil idea that the US has some Gawd-given right to attack Iran for even thinking about joining the nuclear club, despite the fact that the US has given away, yes GIVEN AWAY!, all our atomic bomb secrets to the zionists so they can oppress and persecute the peace-loving and much put-upon Palestinians.
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Well, yeah, because Iran would be in violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.Gawd wrote:Oh, but you guys talk about preemptively bombing Iran in another thread and that's perfectly sane? Double standards I say.
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First, has Iran ratified that treaty?Coito ergo sum wrote:Well, yeah, because Iran would be in violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.Gawd wrote:Oh, but you guys talk about preemptively bombing Iran in another thread and that's perfectly sane? Double standards I say.
Second: The NPT is a landmark international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote co-operation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament.
Iran has repeatedly stated they are developing nuclear reactors for peaceful purposes: generation of electricity. There is no evidence that they are developing the capability to produce nuclear weapons.
So even IF they have ratified the non-proliferation treaty, they are NOT in violation of it.
The US on the other hand has violated the treaty by giving nukes to Israel and they HAVE ratified it.
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Yes.Anthroban wrote:First, has Iran ratified that treaty?Coito ergo sum wrote:Well, yeah, because Iran would be in violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.Gawd wrote:Oh, but you guys talk about preemptively bombing Iran in another thread and that's perfectly sane? Double standards I say.
Iran was found in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards obligations in an unusual non-consensus decision because it "failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time" to report aspects of its enrichment program. See http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Docume ... 003-75.pdf ) Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran In November 2003 IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reported that Iran had repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program. After about two years of EU3-led diplomatic efforts and Iran temporarily suspending its enrichment program the IAEA Board of Governors, acting under Article XII.C of the IAEA Statute, found in a rare non-consensus decision with 12 abstentions that these failures constituted non-compliance with the IAEA safeguards agreement. This was reported to the UN Security Council in 2006, after which the Security Council passed a resolution demanding that Iran suspend its enrichment. Instead, Iran resumed its enrichment program.Anthroban wrote:[
Second: The NPT is a landmark international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote co-operation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament.
Iran has repeatedly stated they are developing nuclear reactors for peaceful purposes: generation of electricity. There is no evidence that they are developing the capability to produce nuclear weapons.
The IAEA has been able to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran, and is continuing its work on verifying the absence of undeclared activities. In February 2008, the IAEA also reported that it was working to address "alleged studies" of weaponization, based on documents provided by certain Member States, which those states claimed originated from Iran. Iran rejected the allegations as "baseless" and the documents as "fabrications." In June 2009, the IAEA reported that Iran had not “cooperated with the Agency in connection with the remaining issues ... which need to be clarified to exclude the possibility of military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear program. Basically, Iran has a covert nuclear program and is developing fissile material and is in particular working with plutonium production - that fissile material production is the principle obstacle to nuclear weapons production. This is being done by Iran without allowing IAEA to inspect it - and the obvious reason would be because if it was inspected it would reveal that it's for weapons purposes, not nuclear power generation.
They haven't been proved, unequivocally, yet of being in violation of it, but generally when you smell enough cow manure, you can be pretty sure you're near a cattle ranch. They have an obligation to let the IAEA in unfettered, and their not. They're fucking around just like North Korea did, and North Korea got away with it and tested a nuclear weapon, promplly withdrawing from the NNPT.Anthroban wrote:[
So even IF they have ratified the non-proliferation treaty, they are NOT in violation of it.
Iran has ratified it, and you assume the US's guilt without proof? Hey - at least I'm willing to credit Iran with it not being proven unequivocally...yet. We can just tell their up to something based on the strong circumstantial evidence.Anthroban wrote:[
The US on the other hand has violated the treaty by giving nukes to Israel and they HAVE ratified it.
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Re: Should Iran make a pre-emptive strike in Israel & USA?
Well, if these other people would just stop exporting terrorism and supporting terrorists, attacking other countries, exterminating whole populations of their own citizens using WMD's and other various and assorted crimes against humanity and the stability of the planet, we wouldn't have to step in to restrain them and set things right.Gawd wrote:Because Israel and the USA keep on invading other people and bombing them.Twoflower wrote::sighsm:
Why can't we all just get along?
All these "other people" have to do to avoid the wrath of the United States and the Pax Americana is live in peace with their neighbors, us, and their own citizens and we'll be more than happy to leave them alone and trade peacefully with them.
Not our fault that the Middle East is stuffed full of ideological zealots mired in mindless violence who can't manage to live in peace with anyone, including each other.
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Hypocrisy from a terrorist minion.Seth wrote:Well, if these other people would just stop exporting terrorism and supporting terrorists, attacking other countries, exterminating whole populations of their own citizens using WMD's and other various and assorted crimes against humanity and the stability of the planet, we wouldn't have to step in to restrain them and set things right.Gawd wrote:Because Israel and the USA keep on invading other people and bombing them.Twoflower wrote::sighsm:
Why can't we all just get along?
All these "other people" have to do to avoid the wrath of the United States and the Pax Americana is live in peace with their neighbors, us, and their own citizens and we'll be more than happy to leave them alone and trade peacefully with them.
Not our fault that the Middle East is stuffed full of ideological zealots mired in mindless violence who can't manage to live in peace with anyone, including each other.
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wo ... st-report/TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran raised the prospect on Tuesday of sending military ships close to the United States' Atlantic coast, in what would be a major escalation of tensions between the long-standing adversaries.
"Like the arrogant powers that are present near our marine borders, we will also have a powerful presence close to American marine borders," the head of the Navy, Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said, according to the official IRNA news agency.
Speaking at a ceremony marking the 31st anniversary of the start of the 1980-1988 war with Iraq, Sayyari gave no details of when such a deployment could happen or the number or type of vessels to be used.
The declaration comes just weeks after Turkey said it would host a NATO early warning radar system which will help spot missile threats from outside Europe, including potentially from Iran. The decision has angered Tehran which had enjoyed close relations with Ankara.
And it comes a few months after Iran sent warships through the Suez canal, after the fall of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, the first time the Islamic Republic had deployed navy vessels in the Mediterranean.
The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran if diplomacy fails to stop it getting nuclear weapons. Tehran denies it is developing nuclear arms saying its atomic program is for purely peaceful purposes.
Iran has dismissed the threats, warning that it will respond by hitting U.S. interests in the Gulf and Israel if any such attack happened.
Analysts say Tehran could retaliate by launching hit-and-run strikes in the Gulf and by closing the Strait of Hormuz, the waterway where about 40 percent of all traded oil passes.
The Islamic state often launches military drills in the country to display its military capabilities amid persistent speculation about a possible U.S. or Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
I think we need a ballsy response from the Prez on this one. Fuck Iran.
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If we used Gawd's logic in this we'd be attacking Liechtenstein.
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I never trusted the Liechtensteiners.....Gawdzilla wrote:If we used Gawd's logic in this we'd be attacking Liechtenstein.
....or is it Liechtensteinites? Lichtensteinians?
Re: Should Iran make a pre-emptive strike in Israel & USA?
Easy-peasy. Their "warships" will mysteriously vanish into the deeps in the middle of the night, during foul weather, and it will be blamed on the fact that Iran is not known for having well-seasoned sailors.Coito ergo sum wrote:http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wo ... st-report/TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran raised the prospect on Tuesday of sending military ships close to the United States' Atlantic coast, in what would be a major escalation of tensions between the long-standing adversaries.
"Like the arrogant powers that are present near our marine borders, we will also have a powerful presence close to American marine borders," the head of the Navy, Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said, according to the official IRNA news agency.
Speaking at a ceremony marking the 31st anniversary of the start of the 1980-1988 war with Iraq, Sayyari gave no details of when such a deployment could happen or the number or type of vessels to be used.
The declaration comes just weeks after Turkey said it would host a NATO early warning radar system which will help spot missile threats from outside Europe, including potentially from Iran. The decision has angered Tehran which had enjoyed close relations with Ankara.
And it comes a few months after Iran sent warships through the Suez canal, after the fall of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, the first time the Islamic Republic had deployed navy vessels in the Mediterranean.
The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran if diplomacy fails to stop it getting nuclear weapons. Tehran denies it is developing nuclear arms saying its atomic program is for purely peaceful purposes.
Iran has dismissed the threats, warning that it will respond by hitting U.S. interests in the Gulf and Israel if any such attack happened.
Analysts say Tehran could retaliate by launching hit-and-run strikes in the Gulf and by closing the Strait of Hormuz, the waterway where about 40 percent of all traded oil passes.
The Islamic state often launches military drills in the country to display its military capabilities amid persistent speculation about a possible U.S. or Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
I think we need a ballsy response from the Prez on this one. Fuck Iran.
That's what we have subs for...
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Fine by me, though it won't be necessary.Coito ergo sum wrote: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wo ... st-report/
I think we need a ballsy response from the Prez on this one. Fuck Iran.
The reason the US maintains a powerful naval presence in the Arabian Gulf is not because Iran is nearby, but because of immense strategic interest: the US is (for now) economically dependent on the oil coming out of the Gulf. The Strait of Hormuz is a strategic chokepoint (as is the Bab el-Mandeb, Suez Canal, Gibraltar and Strait of Malacca). It would be militarily negligent if not downright stupid not to insure the security of this resource, most of which comes out of the western side of the Gulf. Mahan 101: commercial and military control of shipping lanes are interdependent.
If Iran were located where Sweden is, I think it's safe to say that the US wouldn't bother maintaining a large naval presence in the Baltic Sea just to scare them. And if the country sitting on the north side of the Arabian Gulf were Sweden instead of Iran, I think it's safe to say that the US wouldn't feel the need to maintain such a large naval presence there. So Iran's leaders can blame themselves for the existence of such a strong 5th Fleet.
But if Tehran has a shred of objective sense, they're well aware of all this. Any gripes from them about the US Navy near its shores is therefore nothing more than hyperbole, and we may as well ignore it. If the US wanted to use the 5th Fleet to launch an attack against Iran, it would have found an excuse to do so sometime during the last thirty-two years.
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Re: Should Iran make a pre-emptive strike in Israel & USA?
So far all the 'threats' to the wes' over the last 30 years have collapsed - from the USSR to Iraq and its 'weapons of mass destruction'. They have either collapsed or proven to be no threat at all and spun out of recognition for political purposes. The 'west' led by America, despite recent chatter about its dominant position being eroded remains the single most militarily powerful nation by a huge margin. This may not last of course - but it certainly will for the next ten to twenty years.
If Iran so much as threatened to use an atomic weapon the USA would come down on it like a ton of bricks. People think they have seen what the USA can do. They really have not. Wait til they are backed into a corner.
If Iran so much as threatened to use an atomic weapon the USA would come down on it like a ton of bricks. People think they have seen what the USA can do. They really have not. Wait til they are backed into a corner.
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Interesting that the word "threat" is quoted in your sentence, implying that your using the word ironically, as if the USSR et al were not, in fact, threats.
That last sentence is very true. The fact is, the US isn't desirous of really letting loose. If it did, it would be a very frightening and crappy prospect.
That last sentence is very true. The fact is, the US isn't desirous of really letting loose. If it did, it would be a very frightening and crappy prospect.
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