What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

[Gawd]

Again, Ian, do you have a problem posting direct links to your sources or what?

Oh jeez, I found THAT statement all over the place. It was news, taken from a televised Hamas broadcast. Look it up yourself.

Oh, yeah, and they just happened to be speaking English instead of Arabic. Source Ian. I know it is the norm for Homeland Insecurity to fake evidence, but not here (I hope). Put a link to where you got it from. You speak Arabic, right? Or did you get it from someone who speaks Hebrew?

And from your beloved http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/site/c ... 18&pid=121:

The Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center opened in 2001. It is part of the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Center (IICC) , an NGO dedicated to the memory of the fallen of the Israeli Intelligence Community and it is located near Gelilot , north of Tel Aviv. It is headed by (Col. Ret.) Dr. Reuven Erlich .

The Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center focuses on issues concerning intelligence and terrorism. Via its website and e-mail bulletins it reports on:

The Palestinian Authority and its policies regarding terrorism and terrorist organizations.
Palestinian terrorist organizations and their activity during the lull in the fighting.
Anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli incitement and hate propaganda.
Terrorism-sponsoring countries (especially Syria and Iran ).
Hezbollah .
The global financing of terrorism .
Links between Palestinian-Middle Eastern terrorism and global Jihad.
Suicide-bombing terrorism and its source in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The involvement of women and children in Palestinian terrorism.

You knowingly used a pathetic Israeli source run by IDF ilk.

[Ian]

Again, Ian, do you have a problem posting direct links to your sources or what?

Oh jeez, I found THAT statement all over the place. It was news, taken from a televised Hamas broadcast. Look it up yourself.

Oh, yeah, and they just happened to be speaking English instead of Arabic. Source Ian. I know it is the norm for Homeland Insecurity to fake evidence, but not here (I hope). Put a link to where you got it from. You speak Arabic, right? Or did you get it from someone who speaks Hebrew?

I admit that I do not speak Arabic. Does that mean I shouldn't trust any of the dozens of sources that mentioned this story? Are they all lying? A few of the articles were from Arab authors, like this one from the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ahar-hamas
Or the London Times, if you don't trust the Guardian:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 454204.ece

Or maybe you just don't want to belive the ugly truth, that a Hamas spokesperson, in fact, said this. How about that?

[Gawd]

Again, Ian, do you have a problem posting direct links to your sources or what?

Oh jeez, I found THAT statement all over the place. It was news, taken from a televised Hamas broadcast. Look it up yourself.

Oh, yeah, and they just happened to be speaking English instead of Arabic. Source Ian. I know it is the norm for Homeland Insecurity to fake evidence, but not here (I hope). Put a link to where you got it from. You speak Arabic, right? Or did you get it from someone who speaks Hebrew?

I admit that I do not speak Arabic. Does that mean I shouldn't trust any of the dozens of sources that mentioned this story? Are they all lying? A few of the articles were from Arab autors, like this one from the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ahar-hamas
Or the London Times, if you don't trust the Guardian:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 454204.ece

Or maybe you just don't want to belive the ugly truth, that a Hamas spokesperson, in fact, said this. How about that?

Oh, I have no problem if a Hamas spokesperson did say that. It is fair what they (supposedly) said. I just don't like you giving me a run around with your racist Jewish sources. Now, what are we talking about again?

[Gawd]

Oh, and Ian, I love this part from one of your sources:

Casualty figures

550 Palestinians have been killed in Operation Cast Lead

100 of the dead are children

2,500 Palestinians have been wounded

4 Israeli civilians have been killed since the operation began, and four Israeli soldiers. Seventy-seven soldiers have been injured

Source: Gaza medical services, Israel Defence Forces


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 454204.ece

[Ian]

Again, Ian, do you have a problem posting direct links to your sources or what?

Oh jeez, I found THAT statement all over the place. It was news, taken from a televised Hamas broadcast. Look it up yourself.

Oh, yeah, and they just happened to be speaking English instead of Arabic. Source Ian. I know it is the norm for Homeland Insecurity to fake evidence, but not here (I hope). Put a link to where you got it from. You speak Arabic, right? Or did you get it from someone who speaks Hebrew?

I admit that I do not speak Arabic. Does that mean I shouldn't trust any of the dozens of sources that mentioned this story? Are they all lying? A few of the articles were from Arab autors, like this one from the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ahar-hamas
Or the London Times, if you don't trust the Guardian:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 454204.ece

Or maybe you just don't want to belive the ugly truth, that a Hamas spokesperson, in fact, said this. How about that?

Oh, I have no problem if a Hamas spokesperson did say that. It is fair what they (supposedly) said. I just don't like you giving me a run around with your racist Jewish sources.

Don't bother with that crap. I went out of my way not to list Jewish sources because I was trying to accomodate your own bigotry. If one of them was based in Israel, it wasn't intentional on my part.

It doesn't change the fact that Hamas (and other organizations) have intentionally killed children in many of their attacks, and that they've justified it as legitimate policy. And that you have no problem with it, like you just said. You're a supporter of child murderers.

And I don't give a fuck for Israeli policy, either, including what was happening around Gaza in early 2009. I think it's shameful as well, but your bringing it up is not justification for anything. The people you support kill children as policy.

[Gawd]

It's not that it was Jewish source Ian, I use Jewish sources myself all the time a la Haaretz. It is the fact that you used a racist Jewish run website funded with money and personnel from the IDF to spread hate.

And after what Israel did to Hamas even though they won the election, I don't blame them.

[Ian]

It's not that it was Jewish source Ian, I use Jewish sources myself all the time a la Haaretz. It is the fact that you used a racist Jewish run website funded with money and personnel from the IDF to spread hate.

And after what Israel did to Hamas even though they won the election, I don't blame them.

Gawd, let it go. I didn't mean to use a website that you think is racist. I gave it a quick look over, thought it looked impartial (because that mattered to me), and copied it. You still haven't said anything about the others, but I get the gist: you don't blame the leaders of Gaza for saying that Jewish children are legitimate targets to be killed. Gotcha.

[Seth]

What of the acts of home grown terrorists? What majority of the population must they constitute to be considered the "civilians themselves"? When does it cease to be terrorism and becomes "military action" against political leaders?

What of them? The target defines the legitimacy of the action. Military action against government agents, political leaders or members of the military is as legitimate as the complaint that spurs the rebellion. There are illegitimate rebellions, and legitimate ones.

But military actions deliberately aimed at civilians who are non-combatants in order to instill fear is always terrorism and therefore illegitimate.

[Jason]

Without quibbling over what exactly you consider a government agent, political leaders are non-combatants, they are also civilians.

Regardless, you missed my point entirely. No matter, I lost interest in this thread when it started getting emotive.

[MrJonno]

I would also say anyone carrying a gun isnt a civilian

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would also say anyone carrying a gun isnt a civilian

That would make Seeth a military.

Fair 'nuff.

[MrJonno]

I would also say anyone carrying a gun isnt a civilian

That would make Seeth a military.

Fair 'nuff.

Don't think you can declare war on seth through it does seem to have declared it on humanity

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would also say anyone carrying a gun isnt a civilian

That would make Seeth a military.

Fair 'nuff.

Don't think you can declare war on seth through it does seem to have declared it on humanity

I'm from the Han Solo School of Negotiations.

[Robert_S]

I would also say anyone carrying a gun isnt a civilian

First they came for your guns, then they came for you apostrophes.

[Hermit]

If you win, then you are a freedom fighter. If you lose, then you are a terrorist.

I agree.

Then it's very simple. Unless/until the Palestinians win, they are terrorists. The global community of nations have placed their bets elsewhere, but there's always that random chance.

So it's down to who you think will be the victor? That decides it for you? You make a decision based on relevant available data, make an informed prediction about who will win, then go on to label the predicted loser a terrorist.

Absurd.

My guess is that Amused was alluding to the adage that history is written by the winners. When rebels win they retrospectively become revolutionaries in the books they write, and if terrorists win they become freedom fighters.