US Philadelphia Student Carrying Legal Firearm Shoots It Out

[Seth]

It is very very rare to a bear to kill a human around here, even when we live close to each other, people go to woods a lot and joggers and bears face every now and then. In the last 100 years, bear has killed only one person, and even that was an accident, bear didn't mean to kill him: A jogger ran between mom bear and its pups, bear got angry, jogger started to run away ( ), bear caught him and made a wee scratch that wouldn't have killed him but unluckily made some air to go in veins and he died in air embolism. Bad luck, I'd say. The bear hadn't bitten or mauled the jogger at all. When I was a kid, I was taught (as all kids I suppose) what to do if facing a bear in the woods. But even when I've spend time in the woods a lot (even in high density bear areas, where the most popular hiking routes are) I've seen bear in woods only once, and it was from a distance. Usually when hiking (or picking berries or mushrooms) I'm walking slowly and noisy enough to bear to smell and hear me and it has better possibilities to escape. A normal bear around here always evades human if possible. But if I see fresh bear droppings or excavated anthill, I turn around.
I have to confess that I had never heard of bear spray before this thread, but now when I know, I think I must check if it's sold around here too. At least normal pepper spray is licensed and not anybody can buy it.

Talking about bears, there is this one man living in high density bear area, and he has adopted many wild bear pups that have lost their mum. He's been doing that for over 30 years and now he has 5-6 adult bears. The bears have become true friends for him and they go hiking together and he even sleeps in their winter nest sometimes. He talks about his bears really loving way (the translation is really crappy...)

Sounds like that nutbar who "lived" with bears in Alaska, until they ate him and his girlfriend.

Anyway, they had five bear deaths in the Montana/Wyoming/Idaho area this summer alone I believe, the latest one in Yellowstone.

[MrJonno]

If there isn't a bus stop within 200 metres with a bus at least every 10 minutes then its the wilderness as far as I'm concerned and something to be avoided

Dude.
You'd avoid this?

I've been the countryside and it obviously has it uses for food and for bears who live in them, but if there isnt a million people within an hour's walk of me then I get very depressed

[mistermack]

Anyway, they had five bear deaths in the Montana/Wyoming/Idaho area this summer alone I believe, the latest one in Yellowstone.

I laughed and laughed when I read this,
And also I can now say I told you so.

Bullet, not bear, killed hunter in Mont. grizzly attack

[Gallstones]

If there isn't a bus stop within 200 metres with a bus at least every 10 minutes then its the wilderness as far as I'm concerned and something to be avoided

I've been the countryside and it obviously has it uses for food and for bears who live in them, but if there isnt a million people within an hour's walk of me then I get very depressed

Countryside!?
This isn't countryside--it is the fuckintg wilderness.

All your wilderness in the UK has become countryside. I feel sorry for you.

Montana doesn't even have a population of 1 x 10^6.
I like it that way.



RE bear spray.
Even if.......even if he had used the spray and both had gotten away.
The bear is going to end up shot anyway because it will continue to stalk people at that lake.
And the odds are going to be in its favor because cluless tourists will be there for the pickings.
And then it would have been hunted and shot.

So bear spray may save your ass, but it won't save those who come after you.
It just won't.

[Gallstones]

Anyway, they had five bear deaths in the Montana/Wyoming/Idaho area this summer alone I believe, the latest one in Yellowstone.

I laughed and laughed when I read this,
And also I can now say I told you so.

Bullet, not bear, killed hunter in Mont. grizzly attack

Neither men are Montanians--they are out of state tourists.
And they would not have had a license to hunt grizzly because you can't hunt grizzly in Montana.
One has to take a recognition test to get a black bear license. These guys couldn't even identify the right type of bear.

We had an out of stater here a few years ago bring in his harvest to a local butcher--he had shot a llama and thought it was an elk.




What is it exaclty you told us so that this article is about?

[mistermack]

RE bear spray.
Even if.......even if he had used the spray and both had gotten away.
The bear is going to end up shot anyway because it will continue to stalk people at that lake.
And the odds are going to be in its favor because cluless tourists will be there for the pickings.
And then it would have been hunted and shot.

So bear spray may save your ass, but it won't save those who come after you.
It just won't.

Uhhh, that wouldn't worry me. My ass is my main concern.
Anyway, the people that I linked to were BEAR HUNTERS and shot the grizzly first, and trailed it into the woods. That's going out of your way to get attacked in my book.
That bear didn't stalk anybody. They stalked IT !

I said that your as likely to shoot each other as to shoot the bear. I said you can't miss with spray, and you can't kill each other.

[Gallstones]

RE bear spray.
Even if.......even if he had used the spray and both had gotten away.
The bear is going to end up shot anyway because it will continue to stalk people at that lake.
And the odds are going to be in its favor because cluless tourists will be there for the pickings.
And then it would have been hunted and shot.

So bear spray may save your ass, but it won't save those who come after you.
It just won't.

Uhhh, that wouldn't worry me. My ass is my main concern.
Anyway, the people that I linked to were BEAR HUNTERS and shot the grizzly first, and trailed it into the woods. That's going out of your way to get attacked in my book.
That bear didn't stalk anybody. They stalked IT !

Those bear hunters don't know their bears.

Hunting usually does mean stalking that which you hunt.
We hunt here, we even hunt bears.
And the bears hunt us if they can.

It is illegal to leave an animal you know you have hit to go off and recover or die.
You have to go after it and kill it and haul it out.

So you would save your ass today, but be content knowing you couldn't go back to your favorite fishing spot tomorrow--or ever?

[mistermack]

Hunting usually does mean stalking that which you hunt.
We hunt here, we even hunt bears.
And the bears hunt us if they can.

That's bollocks. Hunting usually means putting out bait, and waiting for the bears in a safe platform up a tree.
It's EXTREMELY unusual for bears to hunt people, that's crap.
How could three million people visit Yellowstone, if bears hunted people?

The reason that bear attacks will rise is that there are more stupid people about, trying to feed them and get photos.

And if a bear gets sprayed, it's going to make it less likely to attack, I would have thought.
It can't be pleasant to get sprayed, if you have the most sensitive nose of any mammal.

[Svartalf]

We had an out of stater here a few years ago bring in his harvest to a local butcher--he had shot a llama and thought it was an elk.

How did you get llamas in the wild in Montana?

[amok]

For what it's worth, I doubt banning firearms does much towards reducing violent crime. The nutters are the problem, not the guns.
Banning guns in a bid to stop violent crime seems to me to be the same logic as banning dessert spoons to cure obesity.

The facts show exactly the opposite in fact. Fewer guns, more violent crime...as in the UK.

I don't know. I personally think it has more to do with crowding, and people being irate and short-tempered because of that.

Where I live, we have (as far as I know), relatively similar gun-control laws as in the U.K., but also have relatively low gun crime AND other violent crime.

When I think about the numbers of people on that little island, I just can't grasp it. There are 61 million people in the U.K., which has a geographic size of 240,000 sq. kilometres. I live in a city of 373,000, with a geographic size of 5,850 sq. kilometres. I can't even begin to fathom the psychological and social pressures of living in such a crowd. I see it a bit, when I visit the bigger cities here such as Toronto & Montreal, but even at that there's a big population sprawl into the outlying areas.

Here, other than domestic-type disputes, the biggest consistent violence problems seem to be in a few areas of the city where people are squished together.

[Gallstones]

We had an out of stater here a few years ago bring in his harvest to a local butcher--he had shot a llama and thought it was an elk.

How did you get llamas in the wild in Montana?

Hutterite llamas.
Livestock is pastured on leased public lands.
Many ranches include wilderness.

[mistermack]

I don't know. I personally think it has more to do with crowding, and people being irate and short-tempered because of that.

Where I live, we have (as far as I know), relatively similar gun-control laws as in the U.K., but also have relatively low gun crime AND other violent crime.

Got a high suicide rate though.

[Gallstones]

Hunting usually does mean stalking that which you hunt.
We hunt here, we even hunt bears.
And the bears hunt us if they can.

That's bollocks. Hunting usually means putting out bait, and waiting for the bears in a safe platform up a tree.
It's EXTREMELY unusual for bears to hunt people, that's crap.
How could three million people visit Yellowstone, if bears hunted people?

The reason that bear attacks will rise is that there are more stupid people about, trying to feed them and get photos.

And if a bear gets sprayed, it's going to make it less likely to attack, I would have thought.
It can't be pleasant to get sprayed, if you have the most sensitive nose of any mammal.

Somebody is getting their information by watching Outdoorsman TV.

[amok]

I don't know. I personally think it has more to do with crowding, and people being irate and short-tempered because of that.

Where I live, we have (as far as I know), relatively similar gun-control laws as in the U.K., but also have relatively low gun crime AND other violent crime.

Got a high suicide rate though.

We do? I'll have to look that up.

[Robert_S]

I don't know. I personally think it has more to do with crowding, and people being irate and short-tempered because of that.

Where I live, we have (as far as I know), relatively similar gun-control laws as in the U.K., but also have relatively low gun crime AND other violent crime.

Got a high suicide rate though.

We do? I'll have to look that up.

IIRC, a high cholesterol rate as well.