What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Ian » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:12 pm

Gawd wrote:
Ian wrote: Uh-huh. Care to discuss the social relevance of Spider-Man next? How about Superman?
I see your cultural acceptance is very narrow. Spider-Man convey themes of being indifferent to the plight of others as shown by Peter not helping to stop the robber when he had a chance. The robber then killed his uncle later in the night.

Superman conveys themes of helping others but at the same time risking the loss of anonymity. By helping others, you yourself can be targeted.
I know plenty about comics and their social significance. They're apparently much more important to you than they are to me.

This explains so much: Gawd's a Fanboy. :{D

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:13 pm

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Xamonas Chegwé wrote: When I listen to you discover and point out every news story about Israel and Palestine as yet more evidence of inhumanity and its monstrous nature.
FTFY ;)
What are you on about? My point was specifically about the things that Gawd posts which are exclusively condemnatory about Israel, if you hadn't noticed. :bored:

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Gawd » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:13 pm

Ian wrote:
Gawd wrote:
Ian wrote:
Gawd wrote:Ian, the Palestinians have just cause going after any Israeli since it is the Israeli civilian population that is mounting the invasion with the help of the Israeli military in case heavy fire is needed.
How about children?
What if the child is Hitler?
You said any Israeli. Are you saying you can judge which might grow up to be a dictator? Or do you mean that the Palestinians might as well kill all the Israeli kids they can find, so they don't have to worry about them later?
I'm saying the Israelis should retreat.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Jason » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:15 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote: When I listen to you discover and point out every news story about Israel and Palestine as yet more evidence of inhumanity and its monstrous nature.
FTFY ;)
What are you on about? My point was specifically about the things that Gawd posts which are exclusively condemnatory about Israel, if you hadn't noticed. :bored:

And, if you feel the need to "fix" my words, kindly use the : fix : fairy.

:fix:
Ah, go : fix : fairy yourself. :tongue:

I knew what your argument was. :fp:

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Gawd » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:15 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote: When I listen to you discover and point out every news story about Israel and Palestine as yet more evidence of inhumanity and its monstrous nature.
FTFY ;)
What are you on about? My point was specifically about the things that Gawd posts which are exclusively condemnatory about Israel, if you hadn't noticed. :bored:

And, if you feel the need to "fix" my words, kindly use the : fix : fairy.

:fix:
And you are free to post threads condemning the actions of the Palestinians. Go ahead, let's see how far you get.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Gawd » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:17 pm

Ian wrote:
Gawd wrote:
Ian wrote: Uh-huh. Care to discuss the social relevance of Spider-Man next? How about Superman?
I see your cultural acceptance is very narrow. Spider-Man convey themes of being indifferent to the plight of others as shown by Peter not helping to stop the robber when he had a chance. The robber then killed his uncle later in the night.

Superman conveys themes of helping others but at the same time risking the loss of anonymity. By helping others, you yourself can be targeted.
I know plenty about comics and their social significance. They're apparently much more important to you than they are to me.

This explains so much: Gawd's a Fanboy. :{D
Don't surprise me that you stick with narrow genres of literature......er.....propaganda.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by amused » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:18 pm

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amused wrote:If you win, then you are a freedom fighter. If you lose, then you are a terrorist.
I agree.
Then it's very simple. Unless/until the Palestinians win, they are terrorists. The global community of nations have placed their bets elsewhere, but there's always that random chance. Personally, I think Israel and all Western influence in the Middle East is a ray of light and intelligence shining into an area that is a pit of Islamic stupidity.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Ian » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:19 pm

Gawd wrote:
Ian wrote:
Gawd wrote:
Ian wrote:
Gawd wrote:Ian, the Palestinians have just cause going after any Israeli since it is the Israeli civilian population that is mounting the invasion with the help of the Israeli military in case heavy fire is needed.
How about children?
What if the child is Hitler?
You said any Israeli. Are you saying you can judge which might grow up to be a dictator? Or do you mean that the Palestinians might as well kill all the Israeli kids they can find, so they don't have to worry about them later?
I'm saying the Israelis should retreat.
You just can't answer my question without humiliating yourself any further, if that's possible.

I think the Israelis should retreat as well and negotiate the existence of a Palestinian state. And I support the Palestinian's underlying cause of their own freedom. But when one of them blows up a bus full of civilians in Tel Aviv, I still get to call the bomber a terrorist, no matter what his cause was. Too bad if you don't like it. I'd also argue that someone who bombs a bus isn't doing the cause of his people much good.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Gawd » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:21 pm

amused wrote:
Gawd wrote:
amused wrote:If you win, then you are a freedom fighter. If you lose, then you are a terrorist.
I agree.
Then it's very simple. Unless/until the Palestinians win, they are terrorists. The global community of nations have placed their bets elsewhere, but there's always that random chance. Personally, I think Israel and all Western influence in the Middle East is a ray of light and intelligence shining into an area that is a pit of Islamic stupidity.
That explains why only the US vetoes the Palestinians from declaring their own state in the UN......

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:21 pm

Gawd wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote: When I listen to you discover and point out every news story about Israel and Palestine as yet more evidence of inhumanity and its monstrous nature.
FTFY ;)
What are you on about? My point was specifically about the things that Gawd posts which are exclusively condemnatory about Israel, if you hadn't noticed. :bored:

And, if you feel the need to "fix" my words, kindly use the : fix : fairy.

:fix:
And you are free to post threads condemning the actions of the Palestinians. Go ahead, let's see how far you get.
Why would I bother?

Unlike you, I am not bigoted, racist and irrationally biased toward one group of humans over another.
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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Gawd » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:21 pm

Ian wrote: You just can't answer my question without humiliating yourself any further, if that's possible.

I think the Israelis should retreat as well and negotiate the existence of a Palestinian state. And I support the Palestinian's underlying cause of their own freedom. But when one of them blows up a bus full of civilians in Tel Aviv, I still get to call the bomber a terrorist, no matter what his cause was. Too bad if you don't like it. I'd also argue that someone who bombs a bus isn't doing the cause of his people much good.
What if the bus was full of "settlers"?

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Jason » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:23 pm

amused wrote:
Gawd wrote:
amused wrote:If you win, then you are a freedom fighter. If you lose, then you are a terrorist.
I agree.
Then it's very simple. Unless/until the Palestinians win, they are terrorists. The global community of nations have placed their bets elsewhere, but there's always that random chance.
So it's down to who you think will be the victor? That decides it for you? You make a decision based on relevant available data, make an informed prediction about who will win, then go on to label the predicted loser a terrorist.

Absurd.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Gawd » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:23 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Why would I bother?

Unlike you, I am not bigoted, racist and irrationally biased toward one group of humans over another.
I want to see how much you have to criticize about the Palestinians.

Oh, and in case you've not noticed, all the news clippings I've posted are about the ACTIONS of the Israelis towards the Palestinians.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Jason » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:27 pm

Ian wrote: But when one of them blows up a bus full of civilians in Tel Aviv, I still get to call the bomber a terrorist, no matter what his cause was.
That's nice, but you lack the ability to make it a universal principle.

Unless a person using a hammer is a 'hammerist' and a person driving a car is to be a 'driverist'. If you wish to label someone by the tool they use you'll have to justify it as the universal principle you claim it is - address the limitless counter-examples.

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Re: What is Your Political Opinion of "V for Vendetta"?

Post by Ian » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:39 pm

PordFrefect wrote:
Ian wrote: But when one of them blows up a bus full of civilians in Tel Aviv, I still get to call the bomber a terrorist, no matter what his cause was.
That's nice, but you lack the ability to make it a universal principle.

Unless a person using a hammer is a 'hammerist' and a person driving a car is to be a 'driverist'. If you wish to label someone by the tool they use you'll have to justify it as the universal principle you claim it is - address the limitless counter-examples.
:what:
Gawd wrote:
Ian wrote: You just can't answer my question without humiliating yourself any further, if that's possible.

I think the Israelis should retreat as well and negotiate the existence of a Palestinian state. And I support the Palestinian's underlying cause of their own freedom. But when one of them blows up a bus full of civilians in Tel Aviv, I still get to call the bomber a terrorist, no matter what his cause was. Too bad if you don't like it. I'd also argue that someone who bombs a bus isn't doing the cause of his people much good.
What if the bus was full of "settlers"?
You still can't answer my question.
You're deflecting by asking questions about settlers, would-be dictators, blah blah blah... why don't you just admit that you think Israeli children are legitimate targets?

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