US Philadelphia Student Carrying Legal Firearm Shoots It Out

[FBM]

I love fishing, nothing better than fly fishing in Scotland for trout and salmon, luckily we do not have Bears wandering about the place, if we did I would take a fucking big gun rather than a big canister of bear spray.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with what I know, a .45 or better. But in today's world, I'd carry both. Start off with the spray (don't want to kill anything, even a mosquito, unnecessarily), and start popping caps only when my shorts can't hold any more shit.

[mistermack]

And Gallstones is quite right, I'm sitting in my office right now looking at the black bear skin (a lovely cinnamon-brown in this case) from the 250 pound bear I shot with my compound bow and arrow some years ago, from a distance of four yards. That was pretty exciting, looking a bear right in the face just before I loosed, but the really exciting part was crawling through the oak brush on hands and knees, .45 in one hand, following blood sign looking for a wounded bear. That gets your heart rate into the aerobic zone in a matter of seconds.

Really? Luckily I don't believe a word you post, that's how I stay in touch with reality. But it's hugely amusing all the same.

[Seth]

And Gallstones is quite right, I'm sitting in my office right now looking at the black bear skin (a lovely cinnamon-brown in this case) from the 250 pound bear I shot with my compound bow and arrow some years ago, from a distance of four yards. That was pretty exciting, looking a bear right in the face just before I loosed, but the really exciting part was crawling through the oak brush on hands and knees, .45 in one hand, following blood sign looking for a wounded bear. That gets your heart rate into the aerobic zone in a matter of seconds.

Really? Luckily I don't believe a word you post, that's how I stay in touch with reality. But it's hugely amusing all the same.

Fine by me. You're entitled whatever delusion makes you happy.

[FBM]

Sad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14963811

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Sad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14963811

Sad on a few levels.
Vincent Cooke will now be subjected to a nightmare lasting fuck knows how long because he defended his property and the police will treat him like a murderer.

[Seth]

Sad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14963811

Sad on a few levels.
Vincent Cooke will now be subjected to a nightmare lasting fuck knows how long because he defended his property and the police will treat him like a murderer.

Yup. And here in Colorado and many other states, the "Castle Doctrine" would most likely make the homeowner absolutely immune from criminal or civil charges for using deadly force in defense of his home and family.

This shows just how insane the UK's laws, and how servile and slavish the people of the UK actually are. Very sad indeed, but, well, he, like everyone else in the UK are hoist on their own petard. They can change that though, perhaps, but not until they get rid of the Parliamentary system of government and institute a Constitutional Republic.

Feel free to crib our Constitution if you like.

[mistermack]

Sad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14963811

Sad on a few levels.
Vincent Cooke will now be subjected to a nightmare lasting fuck knows how long because he defended his property and the police will treat him like a murderer.

Treat him like a possible murderer. Depends what happened.
Yet again people who weren't there will pre-judge what happened, and spout their bullshit.

You can only kill people in this country if you are genuine fear of your life. If that was the case, he won't get convicted of anything.

It's perfectly possible for a murder to take place, even if someone has broken into a house.

Here's one scenario, there are millions of possible ones:

You have good reason to believe that your child is having under-age sex with a pedophile.
You've reported it and got nowhere. You decide to break in and get the evidence yourself.
You think the house is empty, but the pedophile appears with a knife. You say OK, I'll leave peacefully, but he stabs you in the heart, in front of the person who helped you break in.

Is that murder or not? Of course it is.
To my mind, there are millions of situations where a break-in does not justify killing someone. And Millions more where it could.
That's why we have a legal system to sort it out.
More bollocks from Seth I'm afraid.

[MrJonno]

I think the point is a body with a knife in it is a rare and serious enough event in the UK that everyone involved is going to extremely closed questioned regardless of the circumstances.

[Gallstones]

It is some guy's ballad.
Some guy who purportedly wore a coonskin hat.
Blazed trails for wagon trains and stuff.
A frontier hee-row.

I used to watch that on TV when I was young and impressionable, along with various other US programs...

It left me with a lingering fondness for Americans, which has not disappeared in all these years of political disagreements...

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[Gallstones]

Sad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14963811

Sad on a few levels.
Vincent Cooke will now be subjected to a nightmare lasting fuck knows how long because he defended his property and the police will treat him like a murderer.

Treat him like a possible murderer. Depends what happened.
Yet again people who weren't there will pre-judge what happened, and spout their bullshit.

Kind of like you have when we--who live with them--talk about bears.

And then there are the mountain lions.
And the moose.
And the stray dogs.

I believe I just busted your hypocritical ass.

[Gallstones]

Sad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-14963811

Sad on a few levels.
Vincent Cooke will now be subjected to a nightmare lasting fuck knows how long because he defended his property and the police will treat him like a murderer.

Treat him like a possible murderer. Depends what happened.
Yet again people who weren't there will pre-judge what happened, and spout their bullshit.

You can only kill people in this country if you are genuine fear of your life. If that was the case, he won't get convicted of anything.

It's perfectly possible for a murder to take place, even if someone has broken into a house.

Here's one scenario, there are millions of possible ones:

You have good reason to believe that your child is having under-age sex with a pedophile.
You've reported it and got nowhere. You decide to break in and get the evidence yourself.
You think the house is empty, but the pedophile appears with a knife. You say OK, I'll leave peacefully, but he stabs you in the heart, in front of the person who helped you break in.

Is that murder or not? Of course it is.
To my mind, there are millions of situations where a break-in does not justify killing someone. And Millions more where it could.
That's why we have a legal system to sort it out.
More bollocks from Seth I'm afraid.

As far as I am concerned mistermack, if I haven't invited a person in, and s/he enters my home unbidden, I get to shoot them--regardless of their reasons for being there.

And since you won't be there you don't get a say on what was really going to happen. And your opinion about what I do about it is self indulgent flatulence.

[mistermack]

Kind of like you have when we--who live with them--talk about bears.

And then there are the mountain lions.
And the moose.
And the stray dogs.

I believe I just busted your hypocritical ass.

Wow, and I never felt a thing. Bust it any time you like.
You sound rather bitter. If there was no truth in what I wrote, why would you care?

[mistermack]

As far as I am concerned mistermack, if I haven't invited a person in, and s/he enters my home unbidden, I get to shoot them--regardless of their reasons for being there.

And since you won't be there you don't get a say on what was really going to happen. And your opinion about what I do about it is self indulgent flatulence.

I honestly don't care who you shoot, or why.
I'm commenting on the difference in laws between two countries, and what I think about their relative merits.
I hope you do find someone to shoot, but in the meantime, enjoy yourself dreaming about it.

[Gallstones]

Kind of like you have when we--who live with them--talk about bears.

And then there are the mountain lions.
And the moose.
And the stray dogs.

I believe I just busted your hypocritical ass.

Wow, and I never felt a thing. Bust it any time you like.
You sound rather bitter. If there was no truth in what I wrote, why would you care?

You really have no suitable response so you grasp for the emotional affront.
Desparation.

[Gallstones]

As far as I am concerned mistermack, if I haven't invited a person in, and s/he enters my home unbidden, I get to shoot them--regardless of their reasons for being there.

And since you won't be there you don't get a say on what was really going to happen. And your opinion about what I do about it is self indulgent flatulence.

I honestly don't care who you shoot, or why.
I'm commenting on the difference in laws between two countries, and what I think about their relative merits.
I hope you do find someone to shoot, but in the meantime, enjoy yourself dreaming about it.

Ah, I see the problem, you think I want to shoot someone.
I don't want to shoot anyone. It is an option I could exercise if needs must.
An option I have that you in the UK don't.

That is the sum total of it all.

I could if I need to, and I may possess the means if I please to do so.
You can't.
So, you have to think of other options and you have to hope for other circumstances--like intruders who won't harm you if you give them what they want.

My dreams, the ones I really do have, would make you blush.