Because insurance companies put it in their contracts, and consumers accept those provisions. If you want coverage for "acts of God" you can get it, you just have to pay more by way of premiums.Schneibster wrote:Seth, let me ask you a question: do you know that many insurance policies do not cover "acts of God?" And do you know why?
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
They can't get jobs because they didn't get educated because their parents didn't have any money, and you voted against funding the schools. So they can't work hard, and they can't save money.Seth wrote:Sounds like a good reason to work hard, save your money,Schneibster wrote:They don't have any money, duh.Seth wrote:Don't hear me complaining. I like to have my burgers flipped and trash hauled, and I've got ditches to dig. Why should we pay to educate the children of people who don't care enough about their own children to provide them with an education at their own expense,
So twenty million kids are going to get shitty educations, and half of them, ten million, will experience enough hunger that they won't get the protein they need to grow a healthy brain. Yes, I can provide statistics; ten million US children are at risk of going to bed tonight hungry every night. About half of them actually will. All of them will go hungry one or more days this week.
That's great, I really want to have to deal with ten million brain-damaged crack heads in about twenty years because you're greedy and don't want to pay your taxes. Thanks.

You want to turn my country the rest of the way into a third world shithole. Including slaves.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
How strange then that "penniless" parents in India still manage to scrape up enough money to send their kids to private schools because the public schools are so abysmally poor.Schneibster wrote:They can't get jobs because they didn't get educated because their parents didn't have any money,Seth wrote:Sounds like a good reason to work hard, save your money,Schneibster wrote:They don't have any money, duh.Seth wrote:Don't hear me complaining. I like to have my burgers flipped and trash hauled, and I've got ditches to dig. Why should we pay to educate the children of people who don't care enough about their own children to provide them with an education at their own expense,
To say that the indolent dependent class parent doesn't have "any money" is simply a ridiculous lie. Of course they have money. If they didn't, they would be starving, and nobody is starving in the US. It's just that they'd rather spend what money they have on other things.
Here's a little anecdote from my past. My father used to make TV documentaries. He made one about the Boat People from Vietnam who came to the US with absolutely nothing other than the clothes on their backs. They moved into the public housing projects in Denver, along with the blacks and Hispanics, who had been living in those same projects for more than a generation and raising their kids to live there after them, as they were all dependent on welfare payments.
The Hispanics and the blacks despised the Vietnamese because, unlike them, the Vietnamese had close, tight-knit families with two parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and children all living together in the same household, all working together to better their economic and social position as hard as they possibly could, all day, every day...while the blacks and Hispanics sat on the steps smoking pot, eating Twinkies, listening to boom boxes, and fighting with each other in "family units" comprised of single mothers with multiple kids from multiple fathers, all of whom were absent from the home because if they stayed, AFDC payments were cut off.
The Vietnamese worked their asses off, and within two years of arriving in the projects, they were gone, having gotten jobs, started businesses and gotten their kids into private schools where they were getting top-notch educations at the parent's expense.
So don't try to tell me that people are "trapped in poverty." They aren't. They are trapped in their own mediocrity and unwillingness to do what it takes to be successful. History is replete with minority individuals who overcame adversity and made themselves successful by dint of hard labor and determination, so it's patronizing and insulting to imply that everyone else isn't capable of doing the same.
Welfare debilitates people and enslaves them to perpetual, generational dependency on government. It's fucking evil.
People need to be made uncomfortable in their poverty so that they will be induced to dig themselves out of it, like the Mexican illegals who risk death in the desert to cross our border to escape poverty in Mexico and have better lives in the US doing the jobs that the indolent dependent class welfare leeches simply refuse to do.
You don't need a college degree, or even a high school diploma to pick onions or peaches, bud. Many's the Mexican father and mother who have proven that, and shown that it is entirely possible to get your children an education by working hard and not frittering your money away on luxuries and self-indulgences.and you voted against funding the schools. So they can't work hard, and they can't save money.
I'm all for feeding hungry children, that's an entirely different issue, and therefore a red herring argument.So twenty million kids are going to get shitty educations, and half of them, ten million, will experience enough hunger that they won't get the protein they need to grow a healthy brain. Yes, I can provide statistics; ten million US children are at risk of going to bed tonight hungry every night. About half of them actually will. All of them will go hungry one or more days this week.
It's better than dealing with 40 million brain-damaged crack heads we've wasted two trillion dollars educating just so they can become yet another generation of indolent dependent class welfare leeches.That's great, I really want to have to deal with ten million brain-damaged crack heads in about twenty years because you're greedy and don't want to pay your taxes. Thanks.
Nah, I just want people to pay their own way whenever they can and ASK for help if they need it, not demand it at the muzzle of a government machine gun because it's more convenient to their indolent lifestyle.You want to turn my country the rest of the way into a third world shithole. Including slaves.
I also want people to be induced to better themselves by not making them comfortable in their poverty. I want poverty to be an embarrassment and a humiliation, as it used to be, so that people will not want to be poor and will work very, very hard to escape poverty. What's more, I want to leave the fruits of that hard work WITH THEM, rather than taxing it away as they improve their financial condition to pay for some less industrious welfare leech to sit around eating Twinkies and smoking crack. I want them to know that when they work hard and make money, they get to KEEP their money and use it to better their lives and the lives of their children, not have it taxed away.
And if some industrious poor person needs a leg up to get started, why they can come and ask for assistance, and if they demonstrate that they are worthy of a charitable investment by the public, and that the public's investment won't be wasted or frittered away on self-indulgences, then I'm all for loaning them the money they need to get a trade education, learn a skill or otherwise become educated. Then, once they've achieved their financial success by virtue of hard work, they can return the favor by paying back what they owe to some other person worthy of the public's investment. But nothing's free, and it's not a gift, it's a loan that you have to pay back. That's how people are taught to be socially responsible and to accept their responsibilities, rather than being taught there are no adverse consequences in life and that you're entitled to take from others what you want.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
We're talking about the United States. Maybe you forgot.Seth wrote:How strange then that "penniless" parents in India still manage to scrape up enough money to send their kids to private schools because the public schools are so abysmally poor.Schneibster wrote:They can't get jobs because they didn't get educated because their parents didn't have any money,Seth wrote:Sounds like a good reason to work hard, save your money,Schneibster wrote:They don't have any money, duh.Seth wrote:Don't hear me complaining. I like to have my burgers flipped and trash hauled, and I've got ditches to dig. Why should we pay to educate the children of people who don't care enough about their own children to provide them with an education at their own expense,
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
Same principle applies here, to an even greater extent. Work hard doing any job that is available, don't waste your money on non-essentials, focus on making your CHILDREN'S lives better and you can be successful.Schneibster wrote:We're talking about the United States. Maybe you forgot.Seth wrote: How strange then that "penniless" parents in India still manage to scrape up enough money to send their kids to private schools because the public schools are so abysmally poor.
Lie around indolently expecting the government to provide for you and your children for all of eternity leads to generations of debilitate dependent welfare leeches.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
This isn't India. You're making shit up.Seth wrote:Same principle applies here, to an even greater extent.Schneibster wrote:We're talking about the United States. Maybe you forgot.Seth wrote: How strange then that "penniless" parents in India still manage to scrape up enough money to send their kids to private schools because the public schools are so abysmally poor.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
So, FEMA was doing what it was supposed to and it was mainly a failure at the state and local level?Seth wrote:Yes, he resigned. And when he resigned, he said he was doing so because it was "in the best interest of the agency and best interest of the president." He took a political bullet for a government-wide failure.Schneibster wrote:Seth wrote:There's no evidence that Brown's dismissal was anything other than a political expedient,![]()
Three in a row, sport. Where do you get this stuff, Larouche?
He resigned. <---CLUE
He has also stated he was intending to resign prior to Katrina anyway. The fact that he resigned means nothing insofar as culpability for the mistakes made during Katrina, which are largely the fault of Nagin and Blanco for inadequate preparation, planning and evacuation and systemic failures in the entire federal government response to the disaster.
Blaming the whole failure on Brown is just ignorant liberal propaganda.
Source: Senate Hearing on Government's Response to Hurricane Katrina, Published: February 10, 2006Sen. Joseph Lieberman wrote:In my opinion, our investigation has shown a gross lack of planning and preparation by both the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA, and that guaranteed that the response to Hurricane Katrina -- or for that matter, any other catastrophe that might have happened -- was doomed to be uncoordinated, inadequate and, therefore, more damaging than it should have been.
We have heard from a large number of witnesses who have spoken of the full range of failures during Katrina. We have learned of one failure after another in evacuation, search and rescue, law and order, emergency medical treatment and deployment of assets. And we have learned that the federal government was simply not prepared to overcome these predictable challenges in this predictable and predicted hurricane. Even those responsible acknowledge that they did not meet the desperate needs of the people of the Gulf Coast. FEMA and DHS officials have told us that in interviews and testimony and in evidence gathered by our staff, and I want to read just a few of those that are on that chart.
From Michael Lowder, FEMA's deputy director of Response, who in an August 27th, 2005 e-mail, two days before Katrina hit landfall, said -- and I quote -- "If this is the New Orleans scenario" -- which was the way they described the big hurricane arriving -- "we are already way behind." From Scott Wells, a FEMA federal coordinating officer, quote, "This was a catastrophic disaster. We don't have the structure. We don't have the people for catastrophic disaster. It's that simple," end of quote. From FEMA Federal Coordinating Officer Bill Lokey, the top man for FEMA in Louisiana, quote, "Communications and coordination was lacking. Pre-planning was lacking. We were not prepared for this," end of quote. From former FEMA director, Michael Brown, who we'll be hearing today, when asked the question, before Katrina, was FEMA ready for this kind of catastrophe; Mr. Brown said simply and directly, "I don't think so." And finally, from Secretary Chertoff, who we will hear from Tuesday, quote, "But I also think Katrina tested our planning, and our planning fell short."
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In the early aftermath of the Hurricane Katrina debacle, former FEMA Director Michael Brown was singularly blamed for the inadequate federal government response. Our investigation confirms, in my opinion, in fact that Mr. Brown did not do a lot of what he should have done, but he was not alone. In fact, there was a massive failure by government at all levels and by those who lead it to prepare and respond as they had a responsibility to do. And in the case of the federal government response to Katrina, with the exceptions, proud exceptions, of the National Weather Service and the U.S. Coast Guard, there was a shocking consequential and pervasive lack of preparation, response and leadership.
If Nagin had instituted a mandatory evacuation in a timely manner, using all the resources available to him (remember the hundreds of school busses left sitting in their depots?) and Blanco had planned properly at her end, and had requested federal assistance earlier, things might have gone much differently. You see, FEMA is NOT RESPONSIBLE for disaster planning in New Orleans, the Mayor and the Governor are. FEMA comes in when a disaster strikes to ASSIST the state government. It's not the primary first responder to a disaster. That responsibility is, and has always been at the state and local level, as it should be, because those levels of government are best prepared and most knowledgable about the specific threats and vulnerabilities in the area.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
That's a custom job.Schneibster wrote:
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Robert_S wrote:So, FEMA was doing what it was supposed to and it was mainly a failure at the state and local level?Seth wrote:If Nagin had instituted a mandatory evacuation in a timely manner, using all the resources available to him (remember the hundreds of school busses left sitting in their depots?) and Blanco had planned properly at her end, and had requested federal assistance earlier, things might have gone much differently. You see, FEMA is NOT RESPONSIBLE for disaster planning in New Orleans, the Mayor and the Governor are. FEMA comes in when a disaster strikes to ASSIST the state government. It's not the primary first responder to a disaster. That responsibility is, and has always been at the state and local level, as it should be, because those levels of government are best prepared and most knowledgable about the specific threats and vulnerabilities in the area.

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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
OK, now, Schneib, will you give us the correct answer?Seth wrote:Because insurance companies put it in their contracts, and consumers accept those provisions. If you want coverage for "acts of God" you can get it, you just have to pay more by way of premiums.Schneibster wrote:Seth, let me ask you a question: do you know that many insurance policies do not cover "acts of God?" And do you know why?
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
Many insurance companies insure for "named hazards". For instance, "standing ground water", like flood water, is specifically named as not being covered, so you need a Flood Insurance Policy to cover that kind of thing. If you want a rider for a specific hazard, such as avalanches, they can be written if the company does that kind of coverage, or you have to find someone who does and insure that through them.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
The reason is because the government covers disasters, because insurance companies can't afford to keep enough on hand to handle a hurricane.
So if we destroy FEMA, then if a hurricane comes and blows away our houses, we're fucked. See ya. Hope you know how to rebuild it sport 'cause there ain't no federal assistance comin' and the insurance company ain't responsible.
"Get rid of FEMA" is like saying, "Let's fire all the firemen." Idiotic. We did private firefighters in San Diego in the wildfires; the lawsuits are still pending.
Another Libertardian scam.
So if we destroy FEMA, then if a hurricane comes and blows away our houses, we're fucked. See ya. Hope you know how to rebuild it sport 'cause there ain't no federal assistance comin' and the insurance company ain't responsible.
"Get rid of FEMA" is like saying, "Let's fire all the firemen." Idiotic. We did private firefighters in San Diego in the wildfires; the lawsuits are still pending.
Another Libertardian scam.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
Same principles apply everywhere. If you have kids, you need to find a way to educate them at your own expense, or through the voluntary participation of others, not through coercive force of government. And if you care about your kids, you can do so even if you are as desperately poor as people in India, which almost no one in America is as poor as.Schneibster wrote:This isn't India. You're making shit up.Seth wrote:Same principle applies here, to an even greater extent.Schneibster wrote:We're talking about the United States. Maybe you forgot.Seth wrote: How strange then that "penniless" parents in India still manage to scrape up enough money to send their kids to private schools because the public schools are so abysmally poor.
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
Nope. Try reading the citation.Robert_S wrote:
So, FEMA was doing what it was supposed to and it was mainly a failure at the state and local level?
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Re: Wrong Paul: We don' need no stinkin' FEMA
Except that the US isn't an incredibly poor third world country. And these are economic principles. You know, about money 'n' stuff. Duh.Seth wrote:Same principles apply everywhere.Schneibster wrote:This isn't India. You're making shit up.Seth wrote:Same principle applies here, to an even greater extent.Schneibster wrote:We're talking about the United States. Maybe you forgot.Seth wrote: How strange then that "penniless" parents in India still manage to scrape up enough money to send their kids to private schools because the public schools are so abysmally poor.
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