Drama, why look?

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Re: Drama, why look?

Post by mistermack » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:11 pm

Because we evolved.
We are social creatures, and have an instinct to work out a pecking order. This involves constant testing of others, and being aware of the status of each individual.
As younger members of a group get bigger and stronger, they have to bicker and fight to improve their status, and if a higher ranked individual shows signs of weakness, you have to grab the chance to put them down, or possibly help them out and cash in on status when they recover.
If you study Chimpanzees, you'll encounter endless drama.
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Post by Rum » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:15 pm

Personally I try to stay out of a drama when it is 'running hot' as I have experience of getting burnt badly in the past, here and elsewhere. However sometimes it is very difficult, especially if one sees one's own words being used or quoted in ways that weren't meant, or people getting bruised you want to support etc.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:16 pm

There's always the hope that we've started to learn how to get along.
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Post by Rum » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:18 pm

Gawdzilla » wrote:There's always the hope that we've started to learn how to get along.
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We do for the most part but...

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Post by Robert_S » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:39 pm

By the time I realize I'm looking at drama, I've been looking at drama.






There is also the assumption that silence = approval, or at least non-disapproval.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Audley Strange » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:07 pm

Gawdzilla » wrote:There's always the hope that we've started to learn how to get along.
Yeah,but has anyone else noticed, that mass instant communication has made us, generally, a lot more impatient and often nasty in how we communicate with others?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:10 pm

Audley Strange » wrote:
Gawdzilla » wrote:There's always the hope that we've started to learn how to get along.
Yeah,but has anyone else noticed, that mass instant communication has made us, generally, a lot more impatient and often nasty in how we communicate with others?
I know that people say things on the internet they wouldn't say to me in person.
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Post by Robert_S » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:18 pm

Gawdzilla » wrote:
Audley Strange » wrote:
Gawdzilla » wrote:There's always the hope that we've started to learn how to get along.
Yeah,but has anyone else noticed, that mass instant communication has made us, generally, a lot more impatient and often nasty in how we communicate with others?
I know that people say things on the internet they wouldn't say to me in person.
On the internet, nobody knows that you're mellower than Morgan Freeman on morphine, even when the vehicle breaks down and it's around somewhere around 40 degrees centipede outside.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Audley Strange » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:19 pm

@Gawdzilla Is that healthy in so far as sometimes we need our egos deflated from time to time or unhealthy in that we are becoming more aggressive?
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Post by Sælir » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:39 pm

Robert_S » wrote:
Gawdzilla » wrote:
Audley Strange » wrote:
Gawdzilla » wrote:There's always the hope that we've started to learn how to get along.
Yeah,but has anyone else noticed, that mass instant communication has made us, generally, a lot more impatient and often nasty in how we communicate with others?
I know that people say things on the internet they wouldn't say to me in person.
On the internet, nobody knows that you're mellower than Morgan Freeman on morphine, even when the vehicle breaks down and it's around somewhere around 40 degrees centipede outside.
40 degrees centipede :{D
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Post by Robert_S » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:02 pm

mistermack » wrote:Because we evolved.
We are social creatures, and have an instinct to work out a pecking order. This involves constant testing of others, and being aware of the status of each individual.
As younger members of a group get bigger and stronger, they have to bicker and fight to improve their status, and if a higher ranked individual shows signs of weakness, you have to grab the chance to put them down, or possibly help them out and cash in on status when they recover.
If you study Chimpanzees, you'll encounter endless drama.
It made us what we are.
I don't see us as trapped by our origins as all that.

Sometimes we're compassionate and egalitarian because we like being that way. It feels warm and comforting, not unlike like pooping one's pants or gratuitously using double negatives.

In one fellowship I belonged to, a piece of one of the mantras read "...to place principles above personalities. It's a good idea if you have good principles.

Bringing it back to the chimps: We humans do sometimes put abstract ideas instead of fellow primates in the Alpha and Omega positions. We've had JHVH1, Freedom of Speech, The Common Good, Capitalism, Communism, The Family, etc for the Alpha and for the Omega we've had Satan, Communism, Capitalism, Censorship, The Jersey Shore, etc.

I think as long as we don't take all that too seriously when things start to get absurd looking, we do rather well.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Drama, why look?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:12 pm

Robert_S » wrote:
Gawdzilla » wrote:
Audley Strange » wrote:
Gawdzilla » wrote:There's always the hope that we've started to learn how to get along.
Yeah,but has anyone else noticed, that mass instant communication has made us, generally, a lot more impatient and often nasty in how we communicate with others?
I know that people say things on the internet they wouldn't say to me in person.
On the internet, nobody knows that you're mellower than Morgan Freeman on morphine, even when the vehicle breaks down and it's around somewhere around 40 degrees centipede outside.
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Re: Drama, why look?

Post by Tero » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:28 pm

Well you have hit on a problem. Forums like this are not for wimps, so those that mistake it for reality soon drop out.

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Post by Robert_S » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:35 pm

Tero » wrote:Well you have hit on a problem. Forums like this are not for wimps, so those that mistake it for reality soon drop out.
You think?

It looks to me like the people who have the most problems online as far from being "wimpy". Too much the opposite actually.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Drama, why look?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:36 pm

Robert_S » wrote:
Tero » wrote:Well you have hit on a problem. Forums like this are not for wimps, so those that mistake it for reality soon drop out.
You think?

It looks to me like the people who have the most problems online as far from being "wimpy". Too much the opposite actually.
Just people. And there in lies the problem.
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