Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post Reply
User avatar
Ronja
Just Another Safety Nut
Posts: 10920
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:13 pm
About me: mother of 2 girls, married to fellow rat MiM, student (SW, HCI, ICT...) , self-employed editor/proofreader/translator
Location: Helsinki, Finland, EU
Contact:

Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by Ronja » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:18 am

I say WHAAAAAAAA???!!1! :dizzy: :faints:
...Apparently, Donna (the store owner, ed. note) was stunned to learn, after reviewing your customer-information sheet, that you're a lesbian. On the paperwork, you'd crossed out the word "groom" and written "partner" instead, and then inserted your fiancée's name.

"She said she wouldn't work with me because I'm gay," you (the would-be customer) recalled. "She also said that I came from a nice Jewish family, and that it was a shame I was gay. She said, 'There's right, and there's wrong. And this is wrong.' "

She also said - and you have the voicemail to prove it - that what you were planning was "illegal" and that "we do not participate in any illegal actions."

"I was devastated," you told me. "I was crying. I called her a bigot; I told her, 'I am a happy person and you are a miserable person.' Then she hung up on me."

You admit to using some choice words when you called her back. But trust me, whatever you said was probably poetry compared with what I believe most decent people would've spewed at her on your behalf.

You know what's strange? When I called Donna yesterday to get her side of the story, she both confirmed your version of events and accused you of "stirring up drama." She said that your writing the word "partner" was basically a provocation, evidence of a need "to show that she's different."

"They get that way," she told me.

By "they," she meant women who were fed up with men because "men can be difficult," and so now they "experiment" with female relationships because they're tired of having men boss them around.

She told me about a friend whose wife left him for another woman. And about a young family member who was molested by a same-sex adult male. And about a gay man who once plunged a knife into a chair in the restaurant where she worked. And - she finally lost me here - something about the Navy SEALs.

"It's a lot of drama," she said.

She also found you "aggressive," didn't appreciate your cursing and thought I should speak with your father before writing this column, as she "sensed" his disappointment in your decision to marry a woman...
More here: http://articles.philly.com/2011-08-18/n ... y-marriage

My first thought reading that was "Who in their right mind refuses a $800+ sale because of THAT - especially in a world where word gets around as fast as it does today?" Then I read a report by another journalist who had tried to get a followup interview from the store owner, and sort of succeeded:
...Saber’s account of what happened is less cohesive.

Her explanation is filled with tangential references to the death of Navy Seals shot down in Afghanistan, the deaths of seven local youth killed on the same day in two recent highway accidents, her perception that her pet rabbit is saddened by those highway deaths and several oblique religious homilies.

At one point, Saber, a member of a Reformed Jewish congregation who began an interview by saying she “likes the Bible, I like religion” and also said she ecumenically attends Christmas Eve services, asked a reporter if he knows the Catholic bishop in the region, suggesting some sort of ritual should be performed to drive out the evil she senses led to those highway deaths.

Asked to articulate how her references to religion and tragic highway deaths relate to the dress incident, Saber falters, unable to explain.

An employee who works part-time in the shop is at a loss to interpret Saber’s non sequitur responses, saying she’d never heard Saber discuss religion until the last few days. The employee attributes it to stress.

Standing in the front of the bridal store, Saber says she first noticed the crossed out title of groom and written in term partner while “talking out loud” with Genter.

But precisely what she said after that is unclear: Saber said Genter called her a “bigot” repeatedly and said somehow she found herself at the end of the conversation when Genter hung up standing at the back of the store.

“That’s all I remember. I defended myself. She put me on the defensive. All she had to do was be a decent human being and call back and say I’m not getting married in New Jersey,” Saber said.
More here: http://westdeptford.patch.com/articles/ ... bian-bride
"The internet is made of people. People matter. This includes you. Stop trying to sell everything about yourself to everyone. Don’t just hammer away and repeat and talk at people—talk TO people. It’s organic. Make stuff for the internet that matters to you, even if it seems stupid. Do it because it’s good and feels important. Put up more cat pictures. Make more songs. Show your doodles. Give things away and take things that are free." - Maureen J

"...anyone who says it’s “just the Internet” can :pawiz: . And then when they come back, they can :pawiz: again." - Tigger

User avatar
mistermack
Posts: 15093
Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:57 am
About me: Never rong.
Contact:

Re: Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by mistermack » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:06 pm

It never fails to amaze me how people can be so stupid and still survive in the modern world.

I mean, 800 dollars for a dress?
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.

User avatar
Ronja
Just Another Safety Nut
Posts: 10920
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:13 pm
About me: mother of 2 girls, married to fellow rat MiM, student (SW, HCI, ICT...) , self-employed editor/proofreader/translator
Location: Helsinki, Finland, EU
Contact:

Re: Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by Ronja » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:17 pm

Weddings that cost astronomical sums I do not understand, though my own dress did cost a fair bit (about 300 euros, cloth and seamstress costs put together, if memory serves). It was designed so that if I ever get invited to some majorly fancy/formal function, I can reuse it then (regardless of if I have gained weight or lost and regardless of how old I am then).

No such fine invitations to date... :sigh: But seeing the dress makes me happy every time - it was a part of making the wedding look and feel like us.
"The internet is made of people. People matter. This includes you. Stop trying to sell everything about yourself to everyone. Don’t just hammer away and repeat and talk at people—talk TO people. It’s organic. Make stuff for the internet that matters to you, even if it seems stupid. Do it because it’s good and feels important. Put up more cat pictures. Make more songs. Show your doodles. Give things away and take things that are free." - Maureen J

"...anyone who says it’s “just the Internet” can :pawiz: . And then when they come back, they can :pawiz: again." - Tigger

User avatar
Ian
Mr Incredible
Posts: 16975
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:42 pm
Location: Washington DC

Re: Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by Ian » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:50 pm

I once met some old coot who mentioned that he wouldn't be buying flowers from my uncle's flower shop, because he said he preferred to only patronize ethnically Irish-owned businesses. And my uncle is ethnically Norwegian.
:roll:

User avatar
Ronja
Just Another Safety Nut
Posts: 10920
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:13 pm
About me: mother of 2 girls, married to fellow rat MiM, student (SW, HCI, ICT...) , self-employed editor/proofreader/translator
Location: Helsinki, Finland, EU
Contact:

Re: Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by Ronja » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:53 pm

There is one more aspect of this story that I don't like. Apparently the store owner is getting mobbed down pretty thoroughly, and some of it is ugly:
... sometimes Donna Saber, the Somers Point store’s owner, has a moment without a customer. Then she answers the phone. As soon as she picks up the phone, the controversy is apparent.

If it isn’t some member of the media calling for an interview—news outfits from London, Canada, ABC, the Los Angeles Times and on and on—then it is someone calling to berate, curse or threaten her.

Bitch. Bigot. A brick is coming. The store will burn.

Saber’s heard them all, again and again. If she had time, the more than 700 unread emails flooding her inbox would repeat and expand on the comments and media requests she’s already heard.

Sometimes, though, callers instead praise Saber.

Those callers tell her it is about time someone stood up and spoke out against same-sex marriage, as she did when questioning a prospective dress buyer who listed a female partner—rather than a male groom—on an order-tracking form.
"The internet is made of people. People matter. This includes you. Stop trying to sell everything about yourself to everyone. Don’t just hammer away and repeat and talk at people—talk TO people. It’s organic. Make stuff for the internet that matters to you, even if it seems stupid. Do it because it’s good and feels important. Put up more cat pictures. Make more songs. Show your doodles. Give things away and take things that are free." - Maureen J

"...anyone who says it’s “just the Internet” can :pawiz: . And then when they come back, they can :pawiz: again." - Tigger

User avatar
Svartalf
Offensive Grail Keeper
Posts: 41172
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:42 pm
Location: Paris France
Contact:

Re: Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by Svartalf » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:23 am

Ian » wrote:I once met some old coot who mentioned that he wouldn't be buying flowers from my uncle's flower shop, because he said he preferred to only patronize ethnically Irish-owned businesses. And my uncle is ethnically Norwegian.
:roll:
Well, it's the whole 'buy American' schlock scaled down to the various ingredients of the melting pot... if the guy can find Irish owned shops to serve his needs, he sure is free to put his money where he fancies, too bad if your uncle has better flowers cheaper.
Embrace the Darkness, it needs a hug

PC stands for "Patronizing Cocksucker" Randy Ping

User avatar
Schneibster
Asker of inconvenient questions
Posts: 3976
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:22 pm
About me: I hate cranks.
Location: Late. I'm always late.
Contact:

Re: Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by Schneibster » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:22 am

Remember the kid in Louisiana whose school made his life hell, his parents kicked him out and so forth, because he questioned the legality of including a prayer in the graduation? I forget his name, I could find it if needed.

I sent his school district's board president an email telling him that this is why people elsewhere in the US think Southerners are inbred mental defectives and that he should tell them so.

Now, I'm not in favor of threatening people; but I am in favor of telling them I have made some pretty harsh judgments about them based on their behavior. What concerns me is that the two not be confused with one another, and I think those who are being pilloried for antisocial behavior tend to confuse them because it is to their advantage to do so. Be careful you don't enable that, Ronja.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. -Thomas Jefferson
Image

User avatar
Ian
Mr Incredible
Posts: 16975
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:42 pm
Location: Washington DC

Re: Sorry - HOW stupid? Refusing to accept gay money...

Post by Ian » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:05 am

Svartalf » wrote:
Ian » wrote:I once met some old coot who mentioned that he wouldn't be buying flowers from my uncle's flower shop, because he said he preferred to only patronize ethnically Irish-owned businesses. And my uncle is ethnically Norwegian.
:roll:
Well, it's the whole 'buy American' schlock scaled down to the various ingredients of the melting pot... if the guy can find Irish owned shops to serve his needs, he sure is free to put his money where he fancies, too bad if your uncle has better flowers cheaper.
The silly part is that this old geezer was saying this in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn: the southwestern corner of the borough that had been a Norwegian enclave surrounded by Italians to the east and Puerto Ricans to the north. Not a whole lot of Irish around there. You'd think he imagined he was in Boston.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests