Tottenham Riots

[The Red Fox]

guardian.co.uk
England riots: pair jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder



Two men have been jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder.

Jordan Blackshaw, 20, from Marston near Northwich, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, from Warrington, appeared at Chester crown court on Tuesday. They were arrested last week following incidents of violent disorder in London and other cities across the UK.

Neither of their Facebook posts resulted in a riot-related event.

During the sentencing, the recorder of Chester, Elgan Edwards, praised the swift actions of Cheshire police and said he hoped the sentences would act as a deterrent to others.

Assistant Chief Constable Phil Thompson said: "If we cast our minds back just a few days to last week and recall the way in which technology was used to spread incitement and bring people together to commit acts of criminality, it is easy to understand the four year sentences that were handed down in court today.

"In Cheshire, we quickly recognised the impact of the situation on our communities and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities.

Article continues
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... r-facebook

These are the boys charged with organising a water gun fight, yes? How diabolical! Jail them as if they were using bullets! Burn the witch, burn the witch!

"and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities."

Ahh, the Conservative Party. Tough on moisture, tough on the causes of moisture.

[Atheist-Lite]

guardian.co.uk
England riots: pair jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder



Two men have been jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder.

Jordan Blackshaw, 20, from Marston near Northwich, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, from Warrington, appeared at Chester crown court on Tuesday. They were arrested last week following incidents of violent disorder in London and other cities across the UK.

Neither of their Facebook posts resulted in a riot-related event.

During the sentencing, the recorder of Chester, Elgan Edwards, praised the swift actions of Cheshire police and said he hoped the sentences would act as a deterrent to others.

Assistant Chief Constable Phil Thompson said: "If we cast our minds back just a few days to last week and recall the way in which technology was used to spread incitement and bring people together to commit acts of criminality, it is easy to understand the four year sentences that were handed down in court today.

"In Cheshire, we quickly recognised the impact of the situation on our communities and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities.

Article continues
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... r-facebook

These are the boys charged with organising a water gun fight, yes? How diabolical! Jail them as if they were using bullets! Burn the witch, burn the witch!

"and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities."

Ahh, the Conservative Party. Tough on moisture, tough on the causes of moisture.

They have learnt their lesson albeit they've been given four years thinking time about how unfair life really is. When they leave prison they will be model citizens.

[JimC]

Next thing you know, they'll be after me for inciting gin-drinking on Rationalia!

[Robert_S]

Next thing you know, they'll be after me for inciting gin-drinking on Rationalia!

                      

!!1!	NOTMOD Put down the Gin and move away from the server.

[JimC]

Next thing you know, they'll be after me for inciting gin-drinking on Rationalia!

                      

!!1!	NOTMOD Put down the Gin and move away from the server.

You've been spying on me!

[Horwood Beer-Master]

...I can't help feeling that something else must be moving the mob. I don't know what it is, though.

Rotten memes. Like I said before.

...From what I understand, and from what I've been told, in G.B. those menial jobs are being vied for by adults...

Tell me about it.

...Also, maybe the barriers to entry are too high? Are employers resistant to hire due to the level of "protections" for employees and the associate costs on top of salary?..

I think employers are hesitant to hire either because they havn't got the money, or because they're worried about the possibility of the economy going tits-up again.

...I am not sure I really get what you're saying here...

It's crumple - no one gets what he's saying.

...These are people who aren't even attacking "the rich" - they're attacking the hard working, kind folks in their own neighborhoods...

True. If they had been attacking the rich, Keston Park would have been ablaze.

...I don't want to hire a 19 or 20 year old who has never held down a job before...

Then you are part of the problem. Think what happens if every employer takes that attitude.

...I'd rather not teach those basic things to an employee...

But you don't mind somebody else doing so?

...I would rather they already have worked flipping burgers or stocking shelves, and not been fired...

Newsflash.
These days even the people hireing people to flip burgers or stock shelves are strongly biased towards people with a recent employment history to show. Those without don't get a look-in.

...I will not accept that a physically fit, mentally competent person is "pretty much surplus" and has no ability to be gainfully employed...

Alas, thanks to our wonderful capitalist system, it's the employment market that dictates if someone is surplus. Ability is neither here-nor-there, you can't take a job that isn't offered to you.

...we can't have it as a viable option that people just choose to be wards of the state and live off the labor of other people.

Personally I'm waiting for someone to give me the alternative choice. I can only offer my labour to employers out there. I can't make them hire me.

...Those others have iPods and flat screen televisions, they don't...

Oh no, just BlackBerrys

...Those others occupy their evenings recovering from their jobs, they don't have jobs...

Some do. Others are full time "gangstas" (innit). Many either way are supposed to be in school.

...Those others are part of a socioeconomic system that respects property rights; they aren't.

They don't respect anything or anybody, unless they're fellow vermin like them (and often-as-not, not even then).

...So why do these people, who presumably don't have a lot of money to spare, having children?

Because their bestest mate at school just had one and they want one of their own? Because they don't understand contraception? Because they were brought-up in a large and/or young family, and think that's just what you do? Because they belive it will get them a council house?
Pick one or more from the above.

Personally, I have no hesitation or moral qualm in saying that I don't belive the right to reproduce should be regarded as a basic human right. Although it's hard to see any way to prevent it that doesn't raise significant moral concerns.

...They are fearless, jealous, aggressive, immoral and self-justified in all of these descriptions...

Sounds fairly spot-on, although you missed-out "proudly ignorent" and "education-phobic".

...The (often young) parents cry, "there ain't nuffink for them (kids) to do around here", but there is; but the kids will not play ball - the yoof club is a place to deal drugs and fight. What can we do, sociologists?

Good question.

Also it's strange - I grew-up in a town where there was "nuffink" to do. Didn't turn me into a no-nothing, care-nothing thug or "gangsta".

Hmm.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... 8.facebook

UK riots: grammar school girl is accused of theft

Laura Johnson appears as far removed as is possible from the lawless "underclass" said to have been blighting Britain's streets.

So, some millionares daughter decided to indulge in a bit of class (or should that be "underclass"?) tourism did she? A bit of rebellion against "daddy" to make herself feel all grown-up? Did she think she was being all political by taking part? Or that it would impress people? Did she decide the activities of the vermin on the street were more "real" and "where it's at"?
Well I hope she gets a sentance that's "real" enough for her.

The words "bed" and "lie in it" spring to mind

...Yep, I think the reality will prove that all sorts, of every colour spectrum and a variety of socioeconomic strata, gave in to their baser desires. All should be ashamed.

It's not about race or socioeconomics. It's about bad memes - about a rotten culture that's been allowed to grow in our midst.
And just like with the growth of fundimentalist religion in our midst, their culture cannot co-exist alongside ours, and we must be prepaired to send a clear message that we will not allow it to.

...Best we can do is let them channel their energy for change into overthrowing a rotten social order...

So you want to use these vermin as aweapon to destroy our corrupt establishment?
Has it occured to you that some weaponscan do as much damage to those who weild them as those they are wealded against?
Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy.

...Let them destroy the 'consumer society' which is 'consuming the earth' and see how much I personally care if they burn your local High Street clone stores down. I couldn't care a jot. You, like they can shop in the cinders.

"High street clone stores" Isn't that exactly what the family-run House of Reeves isn't???
It would be fun to see just how fast you'd turn into a right-wing reactionary bigot if it were your area, and more specifically your house/property that was cinders.

...If on the other hand I was just a one-man operation selling my services door-to-door, I'd have to register as self-employed and fill out the assorted tax returns if I made more than £7475 a year.

I wonder how many "travelling folk" remember to do that?

...Respect is preferable to fear I grant you, however a great deal of respect is, arguably, based on fear.

The only kind of "respec'" these "gangsta'" vermin understand is wholly based on fear.
Indeed that's pretty-much what the word appears to mean to them isn't it?


That brings me to page 27 I think.

[MrJonno]

These days even the people hireing people to flip burgers or stock shelves are strongly biased towards people with a recent employment history to show. Those without don't get a look-in.

Local restuarant opened up near me recently , they needed 30 waiters, cleaners etc want to guess how many applicants they got 1500!! and from looking at who they hired they were almost all middle class students who will only temporary and I suspect will be replaced by similar

Remember when I was a kid applied several times to work at Mcdonalds and the supermarkets and was always turned down (I suspect it wasnt that I smell that much but just didnt have any contacts already working there).

Having a job before you leave school now is possibly but I suspect you are a in minority these days

[Atheist-Lite]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts ... 108174206/

Riots were Derren Brown TV stunt

THE riots which devastated 90 percent of England were just the latest high jinks mind-control stunt by cocky illusionist Derren Brown, it has emerged.

David Cameron said Derren's mind power 'should make Britain proud'The crafty wizard has revealed he masterminded the chaos for his latest Channel 4 extravaganza Derren Brown: I Can Make You Riot.

He said: "I've already stolen the National Lottery and pierced Robbie Williams in the arms with a knitting needle, so the only cool thing left was to provoke anarchy. With the power of my mind.

"But of course in the midst of the destruction, the real point was to draw attention to the herd mentality of our shallow consumer culture. With the power of my mind.

(continued)

[PsychoSerenity]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts ... 108174206/

Riots were Derren Brown TV stunt

THE riots which devastated 90 percent of England were just the latest high jinks mind-control stunt by cocky illusionist Derren Brown, it has emerged.

David Cameron said Derren's mind power 'should make Britain proud'The crafty wizard has revealed he masterminded the chaos for his latest Channel 4 extravaganza Derren Brown: I Can Make You Riot.

[Santa_Claus]

guardian.co.uk
England riots: pair jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder



Two men have been jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder.

Jordan Blackshaw, 20, from Marston near Northwich, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, from Warrington, appeared at Chester crown court on Tuesday. They were arrested last week following incidents of violent disorder in London and other cities across the UK.

Neither of their Facebook posts resulted in a riot-related event.

During the sentencing, the recorder of Chester, Elgan Edwards, praised the swift actions of Cheshire police and said he hoped the sentences would act as a deterrent to others.

Assistant Chief Constable Phil Thompson said: "If we cast our minds back just a few days to last week and recall the way in which technology was used to spread incitement and bring people together to commit acts of criminality, it is easy to understand the four year sentences that were handed down in court today.

"In Cheshire, we quickly recognised the impact of the situation on our communities and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities.

Article continues
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... r-facebook

These are the boys charged with organising a water gun fight, yes? How diabolical! Jail them as if they were using bullets! Burn the witch, burn the witch!

"and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities."

Ahh, the Conservative Party. Tough on moisture, tough on the causes of moisture.

At least we now know how the Police were fighting the Rioters - on Facebook. I guess it saves ungluing arse from chair.

4 years for a couple of white dickheads - who probably can't spell Riot . Unlucky they iz not blick - would be enroute to Alton Towers by now.

[Callan]

Gin! Gin! Gin!

[Coito ergo sum]

[The Red Fox]

Excellent op ed piece on Al Jazeera about Cameron's recruitment of US cop William Bratton:

UK bid for US-style police reveals despair
David Cameron's plans of emulating US policing models face harsh criticism from politicians and activists alike.

For those working to curb the expansion of imprisonment and policing here in the US, David Cameron's recent plans to import US policing models, theories, and actual technicians are of grave concern, even if they are totally unsurprising. States have a long history of sharing policing methodology and technology, and tough-on-crime talk on "gangs" and "mobs" are well-worn scripts for governments, especially when they have their backs to the wall.

The UK and the US have a long history of sharing policing techniques, particularly of marginalised communities, but as is the case throughout the world - in the US, England, Tunisia, Egypt, and elsewhere - no matter how sophisticated or tough the strategy, states cannot police their way out of social and economic crisis.

Cameron's reaction to recent uprisings of the marginalised and disenfranchised in England has been to declare "all-out war on gangs and gang culture" and has called for widening the use of US suppression models of policing. This includes actually importing so-called "super-cop" William Bratton himself. Known for his police chief duties in the US cities of New York, Boston and Los Angeles, Bratton has been a central character in the development and implementation of "zero-tolerance" policing in the US. While politicians in England have apparently nixed the possibility of Bratton actually heading up London's Metropolitan Police Service, Bratton is poised still to play a significant advisory role in UK policing. On the table seems to be a widening of zero-tolerance policies, as well as the expansion of controversial civil gang injunctions and concomitant "gang-enhanced" punishments.

Bratton and others endlessly tout the successes of anti-gang suppression policing in the US, but activists, scholars, and civil rights organisations point out that "successes" are questionable at best when we look at overall safety, quality of life, and access to resources for US residents. At the same time, the negative effects are abundantly clear: Anti-gang policing in all its forms has meant the further institutionalisation of racial profiling, militarisation of policing, the criminalisation of youth, thousands of new laws, runaway imprisonment rates, immigrant deportation, and the further denial of access to already scarce essential programs, services, and opportunities. And the list could go on. In the US, the flashpoint of the prison explosion has been policing. One of the starkest results of Bratton's model of policing (zero-tolerance, expanded surveillance, complex gang databases, anti-gang task forces, along with the so-called war on drugs) is the tripling of the US prison population from the late 1980s into the early 2000s.

cont.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 08109.html

[xanderr]

What? Illegal handgun? That's impossible, the police must be lying because there is no such thing as an illegal handgun in the UK, they BANNED THEM. Therefore no person can have one and every single handgun in the UK has been dutifully turned in and no one would DARE to break the law prohibiting them from possessing a handgun. Therefore it's simply impossible that a criminal obtained one and used it to shoot at police, so something is out of joint.

Right. As we all know, criminals obey anti-gun laws, so anyplace having such laws must be safe.
Perfectly logical, aye?

The looney gun-banners use the same logic here in the USA.

[Svartalf]

According to one commenter on the BBC website, it's all down to a "Failed education system where reading parables & singing hymns was long since banned by atheists & trade unions".

Hear that? It's all the atheists fault. In collusion with Trade Unions. For sure.

Yeah, because back when Christ was King was such a good time... after all, it was after the unions took charge that crime rose and they had to expand the Tyburn tree and appoint executioners for each of the major cities and ridings of the UK.