Slaughtering and eating cats (NSFW?)

[JimC]

Halal is a religiously-based slaughtering method which is often viewed as crueller than other methods.

Yeah, I know it's like the Muslim equivalent of kosher. But beyond that...I mean, I could never figure out specifically what it meant in practical terms.

They slit the animals throat while still alive (and in some cases fully conscious) and let it die by blood loss. Seems their rabid paedo prophet inisited on it...

Kosher meat slaughtering techniques are much the same.

Some "enlightened" members of the religious groups in question allow electrical stunning first...

[leo-rcc]

I've discussed this stunning issue with a Muslim before. With Halal, if the stunning the animal does not kill the animal, then that is allowed in some communities, because it is intended only to knock the animal unconscious so that it does not feel pain and that it is brought under control. According to this opinion, stunning does not render the animal unlawful for a Muslim unless it is dead before slaughter because in a hadith, Muhammad said, "Allah has prescribed excellence and compassion in all things, so when you kill, kill well; when you slaughter, slaughter well, and let him sharpen his knife and spare the animal pain." And basically, the only conditions for the meat to be halal is that (1) the animal is not dead, (2) that Allah's name is mentioned during the the slaughter, and (3) to cut from the jugular vein so that blood is drained from the animal.

However, most Muslims are doubtful about the permissiveness of stunning, because such a thing didn't exist in Muhammad's time, and that's why they prefer to kill the animal without stunning first.

[Robert_S]

Heh. I've noticed this on forums, the talk of cultural heritage that, to me, seems to be more conceptual (wishful?) than anything based in the culture that one has been actually shaped by and experienced.

It is for me. My mannerisms, speech, food, music, sense of aesthetics history... it's a pretty eclectic mix really and nothing that could be called German.

It's not that it's less OK to make bigoted comments about your own heritage than the other person's, it's that the other person has a hard time calling you on it.

[lordpasternack]

It's just hard for me to take some seriously when their avatar pic is soft core porn and they use 'meh' smilies when trying to convey things they feel strongly about.

Ah well... It's such a shame that my avatar and smiley selections should get in the way of the bulk of what I actually say...

Halal is a religiously-based slaughtering method which is often viewed as crueller than other methods.

Yeah, I know it's like the Muslim equivalent of kosher. But beyond that...I mean, I could never figure out specifically what it meant in practical terms.

Ask YouTube. All will be made completely and graphically clear.

[Kristie]

It's just hard for me to take some seriously when their avatar pic is soft core porn and they use 'meh' smilies when trying to convey things they feel strongly about.

Ah well... It's such a shame that my avatar and smiley selections should get in the way of the bulk of what I actually say...

When smilies are used, they have a huge impact on how people read what you've said.

You're a bitch.
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You're a bitch.
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You're a bitch.

See what I mean?
And when someone misunderstands your use of a smiley, well, I think we've all been there.
And your choice of avatar has more of an influence, to me anyway, if it's actually a photo of you. I'm sure if I had an avatar of me picking my nose, every time some people read my posts they'd be thinking 'what an idiot'. Maybe not everyone, but a lot of people. We're human, and appearances have an impact.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

It's just hard for me to take some seriously when their avatar pic is soft core porn and they use 'meh' smilies when trying to convey things they feel strongly about.

Ah well... It's such a shame that my avatar and smiley selections should get in the way of the bulk of what I actually say...

I want the soft core porn avatar back!

[Kristie]

It's just hard for me to take some seriously when their avatar pic is soft core porn and they use 'meh' smilies when trying to convey things they feel strongly about.

Ah well... It's such a shame that my avatar and smiley selections should get in the way of the bulk of what I actually say...

I want the soft core porn avatar back!

I'm sure she'd be more than happy to send you the pic if you hadn't already saved it.

[lordpasternack]

It might not even be what it appears to be. I was considering adding a 'Mmmm… Mattessons' logo beneath it - until I realised that that was now against my beliefs...

I get what you say about emoticons/avatars making an impression - though I'm not the first and won't be the last with a risqué/silly avatar on here. Otherwise apologies if I sounded abrupt. I'm, uhm, working away from home at the moment, and just spent the last few hours getting past stupid logistical hurdles to have a room to park my ass in for the next couple of days - because there's some event on and practically everywhere is booked solid… But anyway…

And I'd been planning on changing my avatar for a few days, anyway - but the picture was on my netbook, and after spending over half an hour growling at my netbook while trying to connect to hotel wifi late last night, I gave up…

[Pappa]

Halal is a religiously-based slaughtering method which is often viewed as crueller than other methods.

In the UK, almost all Halal meat is pre-stunned (as it is in NZ, where almost all the lamb exported is Halal). The only difference between ordinary meat and pre-stunned Halal meat is that with ordinary meat the animal is killed with a bolt through the head while Halal is killed by slitting the animal's throat.... oh and some guy utters some magical incantations too. From the point of view of the animal, there is no difference in suffering (unless the animals take issue with the magical incantations ).

Un-stunned Halal slaughter can be performed in the UK with a special licence (something which I regard as obnoxious - animal cruelty laws ignored for religious reasons), but it is only responsible for a small minority of the Halal meat available in the UK.

[charlou]

It might not even be what it appears to be. I was considering adding a 'Mmmm… Mattessons' logo beneath it - until I realised that that was now against my beliefs...

I get what you say about emoticons/avatars making an impression - though I'm not the first and won't be the last with a risqué/silly avatar on here. Otherwise apologies if I sounded abrupt. I'm, uhm, working away from home at the moment, and just spent the last few hours getting past stupid logistical hurdles to have a room to park my ass in for the next couple of days - because there's some event on and practically everywhere is booked solid… But anyway…

And I'd been planning on changing my avatar for a few days, anyway - but the picture was on my netbook, and after spending over half an hour growling at my netbook while trying to connect to hotel wifi late last night, I gave up…

I liked your avatar. I didn't want to save it though .. it's yours, imo.

The smiley thing was different for me .. Smilies are part of the content of a person's post and have direct meaning in relation to what is said ... but I shouldn't have made an issue of your smilies, because that was my problem ... Please, be yourself, Heather ... there's nothing wrong with who you are.

[tattuchu]

My poop looks and smells different. Especially after that imported cave-aged Gruyere I ate last night

[lordpasternack]

My poop looks and smells different. Especially after that imported cave-aged Gruyere I ate last night

As is to be expected. I did a crap a few days ago that I could swear smelled a bit of chocolate soy milk. (I have a bit of problem with that stuff. )

Excuse lack of serious contribution just now. I'm busy reading stuff about the Stanford Prison Experiment, which is up there with The Milgram Experiment in showing how normal, healthy "good people", can be made to do cruel things quite easily - but unlike the Milgram, has never been repeated as an experiment, because it did actually involve real suffering of real individuals.

And Charlou - thanks. I was going to say I wanted a proper fight, but I can't be bothered looking for the boxing smiley.

[Robert_S]

I think we should take a moment to listen to what this guy has to say about our diets.

[tattuchu]

I e-mailed my niece the other day and told her I was vegetarian again. Figured she'd be proud of me, since she's been vegetarian nearly her whole life, and is like the sweetest gentlest person I know. Her response? "That's cool. I respect your choice. Though, myself, I've been making up for lost time and devouring everything in sight! I don't know why I didn't do this sooner."

[Robert_S]

I e-mailed my niece the other day and told her I was vegetarian again. Figured she'd be proud of me, since she's been vegetarian nearly her whole life, and is like the sweetest gentlest person I know. Her response? "That's cool. I respect your choice. Though, myself, I've been making up for lost time and devouring everything in sight! I don't know why I didn't do this sooner."

Maybe she's trying not to put any pressure on you.

Speaking of dietary pressure...