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Re: Slaughtering and eating cats (NSFW?)

Post by lordpasternack » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:30 am

JimC wrote: So, you are perfectly fine having a real dig at us meat eaters, but poor little vegetarians must never have their own warm and fuzzy choices questioned, the sensitive dears...
When did I state or in any way imply that? And have you questioned my/our warm and fuzzy choices? :dunno:
If very tasty aliens were discovered with a consciousness approaching humans, it would be wrong to eat them.
Why would it be wrong? Not necessarily disagreeing, just probing your perspective…

Bear in mind that some other animals raised as livestock have similar sentience to toddlers/pre-school children/cognitively deficient adults/cats and dogs. Pigs are most definitely more intelligent than dogs, for a start.
Otherwise, I shall consume meat without the slightest shred of doubt, given reasonable animal husbandry techniques and instant killing methods.
Killing methods may vary from slaughterhouse to slaughterhouse; some stunning methods are inadequate/unreliable - and you should also be aware that many supermarkets in the UK (and so I suspect may also be the case in Oz) have been selling halal slaughtered meat without labelling it as such. Just FYI.
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Re: Slaughtering and eating cats (NSFW?)

Post by lordpasternack » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:58 am

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They would be non-human people and it would be much like cannibalism. You have to have their permission to eat them.

Actually, there was a case a while back involving a guy in Germany who killed and ate a fully consenting 'victim'. He was obviously charged for the killing, but apparently the eating after the killing wasn't illegal per se - so it would have been fine to have acquired a corpse and eaten it as carrion, seemingly…

This is a good op-ed on the matter:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... wrong.html
No matter how you cut it up, eating people is simply wrong

Not a few modern cannibals in the West have been German and it would be tempting to say, after reading the testimony of self-confessed cannibal Armin Meiwes, now on trial in Kassel, that eating people is a peculiarly German thing to do. But there have been some American and British cannibals, with the odd Russian as well.

What may be an EU speciality is that apparently cannibalism is not a crime - though using wooden chopping boards may be. Somehow, one would feel slightly more comfortable living in a union where people may eat each other occasionally, but at least it's against the law.

...

Meiwes, 41, advertised on the internet for someone he could eat and apparently it took 400 e-mails before he got it right. Quite a few sites exist for people with a predilection for cannibalism, but, like much of the internet, people lie about their age - and their tastes.

According to Meiwes's testimony, several prospective meals showed up at his home, including a man who was wrapped in cling-film with the parts of him he wanted eaten labelled.

But "cannabilees" are picky: the man in cling-film found it "too cold" on the hook that Meiwes had hung him on, so he was cut down and they had pizza instead.

Another wanted his genitals burnt by a flamethrower before being eaten, which Meiwes found "too weird". There are gradations in weirdness and they seem to effect cannibals as much as anyone else.

...

According to Meiwes's testimony, Brandes came to his house perfectly ready and eager. "I hope you'll find me tasty," he said.

Brandes is said to have swigged down a bottle of the cold remedy Night Nurse and some non-prescription sleeping pills. Apparently Brandes wanted his penis cut off and made into the meal's appetizer, but didn't want it to hurt.

Night Nurse, as many a sufferer knows, is the only good part of having the flu, since it has a relatively high alcohol content. Non-prescription sleeping pills are hopeless and it comes as no surprise that the excitement of the prospective amputation triumphed over the tablets' sedative effects.

Anyway, the whole thing was nearly called off when an un-sedated Brandes decided to return to Berlin. But at the train station, like many a lover, he turned back for one more go and downed another bottle of Night Nurse.

This did the trick. "Cut the thing off," he is said to have demanded and Meiwes obliged. The video Meiwes made of these events apparently confirms that Brandes's participation was voluntary, though prosecutors claim Brandes must have been incapable of rational thought.

According to Meiwes, Brandes was so keen to taste his own fried member that he started eating it before it was cooked properly, so as not to die without experiencing this longed for pleasure. He perished 10 hours later.

The internet has quite a lot of cannibal sites. Some of the language is slightly unusual. "I am a tall stocky long pig looking for a big-bodied male chef who would like to have a feast of me," says one man at a hotmail address. People swap helpful tips, such as "How to Practice Safe Cannibalism".

Cannibals may not know that "eating people is wrong", as the Flanders & Swann song has it, but they do know that eating the wrong people can be medically dangerous.

Prosecutors have chosen to charge Meiwes with "murder motivated for sexual satisfaction". His lawyers argue that he is only guilty of "killing on request", which, in the wake of society's sympathy for euthanasia, carries a maximum term of five years.

Legal opinion in Germany seems to be that, given the victim's evident consent to the crime, it will be difficult to get a murder conviction.


Heaven knows, I'm an extreme libertarian and really believe that the state has no place in the bedrooms - or dining rooms - of the nation. But surely it cannot be legal to eat people, even if they wish to be on the menu.

Article continues…
My emphases.

And this is the Wikipedia article on Armin Meiwes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

I really shouldn't laugh, but… :hehe:
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Re: Slaughtering and eating cats (NSFW?)

Post by Robert_S » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:06 am

I'm so glad my last name is Sch*****er: It means I can get away with saying "WTF is wrong with German people?"
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by lordpasternack » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:11 am

Robert_S wrote:I'm so glad my last name is Sch*****er: It means I can get away with saying "WTF is wrong with German people?"
Something to do with Jews, I heard… :dunno:
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Re: Slaughtering and eating cats (NSFW?)

Post by Robert_S » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:25 am

lordpasternack wrote:
Robert_S wrote:I'm so glad my last name is Sch*****er: It means I can get away with saying "WTF is wrong with German people?"
Something to do with Jews, I heard… :dunno:
My grandparents were here in the US before all that and, AFAIK, never ate anyone since coming to the US and becoming somewhat civilized.
Heaven knows, I'm an extreme libertarian and really believe that the state has no place in the bedrooms - or dining rooms - of the nation. But surely it cannot be legal to eat people, even if they wish to be on the menu.
Everyone's a libertarian until they think "there ought to be a law..."
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:39 am

Robert_S wrote:I'm so glad my last name is Sch*****er: It means I can get away with saying "WTF is wrong with German people?"
And people wonder why I feel absolutely no cultural/ethnic ties to my German heritage... :hilarious: :?
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Post by tattuchu » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:41 am

lordpasternack wrote:
JimC wrote: So, you are perfectly fine having a real dig at us meat eaters, but poor little vegetarians must never have their own warm and fuzzy choices questioned, the sensitive dears...
When did I state or in any way imply that? And have you questioned my/our warm and fuzzy choices? :dunno:
If very tasty aliens were discovered with a consciousness approaching humans, it would be wrong to eat them.
Why would it be wrong? Not necessarily disagreeing, just probing your perspective…

Bear in mind that some other animals raised as livestock have similar sentience to toddlers/pre-school children/cognitively deficient adults/cats and dogs. Pigs are most definitely more intelligent than dogs, for a start.
Otherwise, I shall consume meat without the slightest shred of doubt, given reasonable animal husbandry techniques and instant killing methods.
Killing methods may vary from slaughterhouse to slaughterhouse; some stunning methods are inadequate/unreliable - and you should also be aware that many supermarkets in the UK (and so I suspect may also be the case in Oz) have been selling halal slaughtered meat without labelling it as such. Just FYI.
:what:


And what exactly is halal meat, Lord P? You mentioned this before. And I remember looking it up at one point because there was a halal meat market near me where I used to live, but I came away without any real answers.
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Post by tattuchu » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:44 am

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Robert_S wrote:I'm so glad my last name is Sch*****er: It means I can get away with saying "WTF is wrong with German people?"
And people wonder why I feel absolutely no cultural/ethnic ties to my German heritage... :hilarious: :?
There's a lot of German in me.

I mean, er...that doesn't mean I've eaten Germans. It's just, um...well, anyway, I always identify with the English part of me, because that's the part of me I like most. And then the French part of me. Viva la France! But I always forget about the German part.
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:47 am

Halal is a religiously-based slaughtering method which is often viewed as crueller than other methods.
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Post by tattuchu » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:55 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:Halal is a religiously-based slaughtering method which is often viewed as crueller than other methods.
Yeah, I know it's like the Muslim equivalent of kosher. But beyond that...I mean, I could never figure out specifically what it meant in practical terms.
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Re: Slaughtering and eating cats (NSFW?)

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tattuchu wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
Robert_S wrote:I'm so glad my last name is Sch*****er: It means I can get away with saying "WTF is wrong with German people?"
And people wonder why I feel absolutely no cultural/ethnic ties to my German heritage... :hilarious: :?
There's a lot of German in me.

I mean, er...that doesn't mean I've eaten Germans. It's just, um...well, anyway, I always identify with the English part of me, because that's the part of me I like most. And then the French part of me. Viva la France! But I always forget about the German part.
You guys seem to be quite serious ...

"German part" ... what the? Born and raised (I assume?) in the US, you're about as "German" as any other American. ;)


It (consensual cannibalism) is a morbidly intriguing subculture they have going there ... I wonder if it's spreading with the help of the internet ... ? :?
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:38 am

Tell that to my hideous red Germanic/Scandinavian complexion! :cry: :mrgreen:
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Bella Fortuna wrote:Tell that to my hideous red Germanic/Scandinavian complexion! :cry: :mrgreen:
Your complexion's not cultural.


And it's not hideous either.
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Slaughtering and eating cats (NSFW?)

Post by irretating » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:47 am

charlou wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:
Robert_S wrote:I'm so glad my last name is Sch*****er: It means I can get away with saying "WTF is wrong with German people?"
And people wonder why I feel absolutely no cultural/ethnic ties to my German heritage... :hilarious: :?
There's a lot of German in me.

I mean, er...that doesn't mean I've eaten Germans. It's just, um...well, anyway, I always identify with the English part of me, because that's the part of me I like most. And then the French part of me. Viva la France! But I always forget about the German part.
You guys seem to be quite serious ...

"German part" ... what the? Born and raised (I assume?) in the US, you're about as "German" as any other American. ;)


It (consensual cannibalism) is a morbidly intriguing subculture they have going there ... I wonder if it's spreading with the help of the internet ... ? :?
Heh. I've noticed this on forums, the talk of cultural heritage that, to me, seems to be more conceptual (wishful?) than anything based in the culture that one has been actually shaped by and experienced.

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:50 am

charlou wrote:
Bella Fortuna wrote:Tell that to my hideous red Germanic/Scandinavian complexion! :cry: :mrgreen:
Your complexion's not cultural.


And it's not hideous either.
Thanks. :flowers: :oops: <--- oh dear, there's that embarrassing redness again! :fp:

Ethnicity, I suppose I meant! I'm 50% German and 50% Scandinavian extraction, even though the last generation (sometimes two) were born here.

Anyway - apologies for the derail!
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