Tottenham Riots

[Cormac]

Utter nonsense. Such areas do arise simply because of socioeconomic status and politics, and nothing to do with race.

You missed the point
The residents in that area are racist, as whites are wary to go to that area.

Your claim was that EVERYONE is racist.

And not everyone in that deprived area will be racist. In fact, most probably aren't.

Would you care to provide some kind of evidence for your argument?

[Thinking Aloud]

Is it worth mentioning that I would not have more sympathy fort the looters and rioters if they were White?
I wouldn't be want to be thought of as a racist.

Why not?

You are a racist. Why don't you just own it instead of being a coward about it?

* NineOneFour, this is a reminder that personal attacks are against our rules. *

[Tyrannical]

Utter nonsense. Such areas do arise simply because of socioeconomic status and politics, and nothing to do with race.

You missed the point
The residents in that area are racist, as whites are wary to go to that area.

Your claim was that EVERYONE is racist.

And not everyone in that deprived area will be racist. In fact, most probably aren't.

Would you care to provide some kind of evidence for your argument?

You can't claim that everyone is anything. But you can claim that enough people are so that it is a basic driving motivation.
I see evidence of racism throughout all societies through history. Do you want a specific type of evidence, or just lists of racial / ethnic conflicts demonstrating the universality of it.

[Cormac]

Utter nonsense. Such areas do arise simply because of socioeconomic status and politics, and nothing to do with race.

You missed the point
The residents in that area are racist, as whites are wary to go to that area.

Your claim was that EVERYONE is racist.

And not everyone in that deprived area will be racist. In fact, most probably aren't.

Would you care to provide some kind of evidence for your argument?

You can't claim that everyone is anything. But you can claim that enough people are so that it is a basic driving motivation.
I see evidence of racism throughout all societies through history. Do you want a specific type of evidence, or just lists of racial / ethnic conflicts demonstrating the universality of it.

Well, you've retired somewhat from your statement.

In history, racist attitudes did drive a great deal of human activity. But not for all of history. It would seem, in fact, that racism was something that arose with the European Empires, and chiefly with slavery. (Slavery before that wasn't justified on grounds of race, but on grounds of conquest and property).

So, the fact would seem to be that racism arose specifically to further economic and political ambitions and greed, rather than particular notions about race. (Although many people became True Believers in the racial ideologies that were used to hide the real driver - greed.

[Tyrannical]

You seem to only accept the White self-loathing colonial concept of racism.

Were the British racist towards the Indians? Certainly, but the Indians were racist towards themselves and their neighbors long before British colonialism. Before Whites enslaved Black Africans the Muslims had practiced it for centuries before us, and the Africans practiced slavery amongst themselves long before.

[Robert_S]

Is it worth mentioning that I would not have more sympathy fort the looters and rioters if they were White?
I wouldn't be want to be thought of as a racist.

Why not?

You are a racist. Why don't you just own it instead of being a coward about it?

It's not like Rationalia is capable of doing anything to you other than telling you how naughty you've been.

All of humanity is racist. The sooner people admit that and make accommodations for that the sooner there can be peace.

Citation needed.

Well, I'll remind you of that neighborhood of "scary dark skinned people" of poor Blacks and Hispanics near where you live.
Now you know it is dangerous, and you wisely don't go near there especially after dark. But you blame it not on race, but on socioeconomic status. How ever they would rob you because you are white, hence racism.
I don't advocate acting in a rude racist demeanor, I just acknowledge that racism is part of human behavior as demonstrated by it's worldwide practice throughout history. Peaceful coexistence requires understanding and accommodating these aspects of human nature as failure to do so creates racial strife

Around here, there are high crime areas that are also predominantly areas with lots of minorities. But the thing is, the criminals don't seem to be all that racist. They'll rob, stab, shoot, spit on, sell drugs to, sell sex to or make rude remarks about anyone regardless of race.

[Geoff]

Around here, there are high crime areas that are also predominantly areas with lots of minorities. But the thing is, the criminals don't seem to be all that racist. They'll rob, stab, shoot, spit on, sell drugs to, sell sex to or make rude remarks about anyone regardless of race.

The "scary" neighbourhoods around here are the council estates, which have a mixture of ethnic groups.

[Feck]

Over the weekend I was watching multiculturism work just fine .I was going to take some pictures of the Polish girls getting their hair plaited by the Pakistani girls
or the Africans talking to the Russians that were having a barbeque. But then I thought why bother, nobody would believe me that my 'sink' estate is much much nicer with lots of foreign people about than it was for most of the 19 years I've lived here .

[Seth]

There are so many roads needing repair over here, that would never apply. We're still waiting for repairs to potholes created last winter.

Your potholes are brand new, Geoff. Why do you want them replacing already? We've got some here that go back decades. Give yours a chance to develop a little, before you pour more tarmac into them.

They're called "self-maintaining traffic calming devices" and they are used to slow down traffic. They work much better than speed limit signs or cops with radar guns, or even photo radar. You can tell the really good ones by the piles of hubcaps and ruptured tires on the verge...

[Horwood Beer-Master]

I've had to save my post for today as a draft - it was taking up too much time. I'll try to finish it off tomorrow.

[MrJonno]

Most people are initially suspicious of those who look or dress differently to them, most intelligent people overcome any natural prejudices pretty quickly

[Atheist-Lite]

I'm getting a extra cheap 40"+ TV tommorow. From a local shop, rural and we didn't have any riots. I guess dodgy TVs can't be moved in the big cities at the mo?

[Tyrannical]

I'm getting a extra cheap 40"+ TV tommorow. From a local shop, rural and we didn't have any riots. I guess dodgy TVs can't be moved in the big cities at the mo?

Don't buy any cell phones though, I think they can easily be traced through serial numbers.

[Atheist-Lite]

I'm getting a extra cheap 40"+ TV tommorow. From a local shop, rural and we didn't have any riots. I guess dodgy TVs can't be moved in the big cities at the mo?

Don't buy any cell phones though, I think they can easily be traced through serial numbers.

Good thinking. I'll have to buy a marker pen with some of the money I've saved.

[Robert_S]

guardian.co.uk
England riots: pair jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder



Two men have been jailed for four years for using Facebook to incite disorder.

Jordan Blackshaw, 20, from Marston near Northwich, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, from Warrington, appeared at Chester crown court on Tuesday. They were arrested last week following incidents of violent disorder in London and other cities across the UK.

Neither of their Facebook posts resulted in a riot-related event.

During the sentencing, the recorder of Chester, Elgan Edwards, praised the swift actions of Cheshire police and said he hoped the sentences would act as a deterrent to others.

Assistant Chief Constable Phil Thompson said: "If we cast our minds back just a few days to last week and recall the way in which technology was used to spread incitement and bring people together to commit acts of criminality, it is easy to understand the four year sentences that were handed down in court today.

"In Cheshire, we quickly recognised the impact of the situation on our communities and the way in which social media was being used to promote and incite behaviour that would strike fear in to the hearts of our communities.

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