Tottenham Riots

[Geoff]

true. Spend some money on roads and you'll make commerce easier. spend some on parks and public areas and you'll attract people to live in your town, spend some on preserving historical buildings and you'll have a tourist industry.

That's only partly true. Money spent on needed roads and maintenance is productive, sure. Money spent to tear up and replace perfectly good roads with something no better - as has happened with some "stimulus" money in our area - is in fact wasted, just like breaking a window and replacing it.

Well yes you are right assuming that's true - but are you sure? It may be that what they're doing isn't a very efficient use of the money or a particularly noticeable improvement (slight improvements in road surface can make quite a bit of difference in fuel efficiency, speed, safety etc. - which is why they spend so much on race tracks) but I doubt they're intentionally replacing perfectly good roads with something no better, just to make jobs - and if they are, well then you should definitely call them up on it.

There are so many roads needing repair over here, that would never apply. We're still waiting for repairs to potholes created last winter.

[NineOneFour]

Is it worth mentioning that I would not have more sympathy fort the looters and rioters if they were White?
I wouldn't be want to be thought of as a racist.

Why not?

You are a racist. Why don't you just own it instead of being a coward about it?

It's not like Rationalia is capable of doing anything to you other than telling you how naughty you've been.

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[NineOneFour]

Did it ever occur to you that there are PEOPLE in those buildings? That's exactly what happened at a recent G8 (or G20) riot, where anarchists with gasoline bombs murdered a bank teller by burning her to death. Did it ever occur to you that fires SPREAD to other occupied structures and can create firestorms, particularly when rioters prevent the fire department from suppressing the fires? Fuck the rioters, if they are holding a gasoline bomb, they need to be instantly dead by sniper round to the head. I volunteer to go over there and personally shoot anyone holding a gasoline bomb myself if the Brits haven't got the balls. Call out the fucking army with machine guns. But do something besides stand there with your thumb up your ass letting murderers and arsonists get away with it.[/quote

Real guts is facing a riot unarmed or armed and not firing.

Nah, that's just stupidity.

Any fool can shoot a a teenager with a petrol bomb.

Evidently not the fools in the UK. People generally don't throw petrol bombs during riots in the US because they WILL get shot.

Not aware of any situation in recent British history where anyone other the police or the rioters got hurt (well the police may have beaten up a few people they mistook for rioters)

Evidently it escaped your notice that police have a right to life as well, and a right to go home uninjured and unburned at the end of their shift, and so they have a right to use deadly force in self-defense, and petrol bombs are absolutely justification for the use of deadly force.

No, but it's escaped your notice, you, who have threatened to shoot unarmed IRS agents if they set foot on your daddy's ranch.

[Robert_S]

true. Spend some money on roads and you'll make commerce easier. spend some on parks and public areas and you'll attract people to live in your town, spend some on preserving historical buildings and you'll have a tourist industry.

That's only partly true. Money spent on needed roads and maintenance is productive, sure. Money spent to tear up and replace perfectly good roads with something no better - as has happened with some "stimulus" money in our area - is in fact wasted, just like breaking a window and replacing it.

Sorry your local officials aren't on the ball. Maybe they need federal supervision?

[Atheist-Lite]

The riots are caused by not enough money circulating. Why steal when you can afford to buy? The answer is to print more money and to execute all the economists who keep getting rich by telling people not to print enough money.

[Cormac]

No can't let the banks go under. They need public sector money. That's why the state can't afford public sector workers. That's why this system is fucked, not 'state scroungers'.

And...

darkies

are you serious?

This is nonsense. Have a look at the sources of state finances, and try to identify what the biggest source is.

There is no such thing as "public sector money" anyway, because the public sector is a cost. It is not involved in revenue generation, which is why money is raised by corporation tax, income tax, VAT, and other arbitrary charges.

What you call "public sector money" is more correctly called taxpayers money.

[Cormac]

No can't let the banks go under. They need public sector money. That's why the state can't afford public sector workers. That's why this system is fucked, not 'state scroungers'.

And...

darkies

are you serious?

This is nonsense. Have a look at the sources of state finances, and try to identify what the biggest source is.

There is no such thing as "public sector money" anyway, because the public sector is a cost. It is not involved in revenue generation, which is why money is raised by corporation tax, income tax, VAT, and other arbitrary charges.

What you call "public sector money" is more correctly called taxpayers money.

[Atheist-Lite]

No can't let the banks go under. They need public sector money. That's why the state can't afford public sector workers. That's why this system is fucked, not 'state scroungers'.

And...

darkies

are you serious?

This is nonsense. Have a look at the sources of state finances, and try to identify what the biggest source is.

There is no such thing as "public sector money" anyway, because the public sector is a cost. It is not involved in revenue generation, which is why money is raised by corporation tax, income tax, VAT, and other arbitrary charges.

What you call "public sector money" is more correctly called taxpayers money.

I think the idea of the tax-payer being the source of the money supply or it's value is just dumb. Most 'private enterpiss' in the UK especially involves people doing one anothers laundry. The capatalist system today is kept going by printing more money - and soon we're entering the exponential bit of the printing more money game called hyper-inflation. Then your gonna see real riots.

[Cormac]

No can't let the banks go under. They need public sector money. That's why the state can't afford public sector workers. That's why this system is fucked, not 'state scroungers'.

And...

darkies

are you serious?

This is nonsense. Have a look at the sources of state finances, and try to identify what the biggest source is.

There is no such thing as "public sector money" anyway, because the public sector is a cost. It is not involved in revenue generation, which is why money is raised by corporation tax, income tax, VAT, and other arbitrary charges.

What you call "public sector money" is more correctly called taxpayers money.

I think the idea of the tax-payer being the source of the money supply or it's value is just dumb. Most 'private enterpiss' in the UK especially involves people doing one anothers laundry. The capatalist system today is kept going by printing more money - and soon we're entering the exponential bit of the printing more money game called hyper-inflation. Then your gonna see real riots.

Define "money"

[Atheist-Lite]

No can't let the banks go under. They need public sector money. That's why the state can't afford public sector workers. That's why this system is fucked, not 'state scroungers'.

And...

darkies

are you serious?

This is nonsense. Have a look at the sources of state finances, and try to identify what the biggest source is.

There is no such thing as "public sector money" anyway, because the public sector is a cost. It is not involved in revenue generation, which is why money is raised by corporation tax, income tax, VAT, and other arbitrary charges.

What you call "public sector money" is more correctly called taxpayers money.

I think the idea of the tax-payer being the source of the money supply or it's value is just dumb. Most 'private enterpiss' in the UK especially involves people doing one anothers laundry. The capatalist system today is kept going by printing more money - and soon we're entering the exponential bit of the printing more money game called hyper-inflation. Then your gonna see real riots.

Define "money"

The theft of value from the dead. That's how I'd define it.

[Santa_Claus]

The theft of value from the dead. That's how I'd define it.

It's all theft from those not yet born. AKA the undead.

[Atheist-Lite]

The theft of value from the dead. That's how I'd define it.

It's all theft from those not yet born. AKA the undead.

The future is a indeterminate set. The past can provide a meal. I can use the dead mans plough. I can't use one unbuilt.

[Cormac]

Define "money"

The theft of value from the dead. That's how I'd define it.

I know you think you are being witty, but unless you provide a coherent and complete definition of money, ALL your pronouncements on economic matters are rendered irrelevant.

[Atheist-Lite]

Define "money"

The theft of value from the dead. That's how I'd define it.

I know you think you are being witty, but unless you provide a coherent and complete definition of money, ALL your pronouncements on economic matters are rendered irrelevant.

I'll leave it to the economic experts and keep my thoughts & personal conjectures to myself then.

[Tyrannical]

Is it worth mentioning that I would not have more sympathy fort the looters and rioters if they were White?
I wouldn't be want to be thought of as a racist.

Why not?

You are a racist. Why don't you just own it instead of being a coward about it?

It's not like Rationalia is capable of doing anything to you other than telling you how naughty you've been.

All of humanity is racist. The sooner people admit that and make accommodations for that the sooner there can be peace.