E-petition to axe rioters' benefits

[Atheist-Lite]

It's just not possible in the same country.

Bollocks.


Also, here it is again:

It's not possible in the same country when too many people obsess over it.

That's his point ... Stop obsessing over it ... Everyone.

Easy words for someone with a large bank balance and living in a respectable scene. A black month is a reminder - that things are not right for the majority of blacks. If things like base income and opportunities for the blackman in 'merica ever normalise then maybe a month wouldn't be necessary? As it stands...there's a head in the sandness about those words.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's just not possible in the same country.

Bollocks.


Also, here it is again:

It's not possible in the same country when too many people obsess over it.

That's his point ... Stop obsessing over it ... Everyone.

Easy words for someone with a large bank balance and living in a respectable scene. A black month is a reminder - that things are not right for the majority of blacks. If things like base income and opportunities for the blackman in 'merica ever normalise then maybe a month wouldn't be necessary? As it stands...there's a head in the sandness about those words.

Mike Wallace, Jewish, said the same thing about Jewish history month. Certainly Jews have been hated and discriminated against too.

[Cormac]

I think if you were to force the government welfare cases to work, you could accomplish more than forcing the rioters to work. How many elected officials have been caught stealing from their boss, only to find excuses and keep on going?

I suggest an e-petition to criminalize white collar crime to the extent that this rioting and looting has been.

White collar crime is already seriously criminalised. Are you familiar at all with penalties for such crimes?

To be honest, no. I was thinking of the number of convictions. I don't see all that many.

So, rather than concluding that there may not actually be all that much of it, you conclude that there is a conspiracy of corruption in place protecting corrupt business people, and that this corrupt conspiracy stretches from the police, through the Director of Public Prosecutions (or whatever the equivalent office is in England), through the courts, and through the businesses that are the victims of such crimes?

The reality is that white collar crime is usually some sort of embezzlement, and it is boring and not very newsworthy.

Also, what is actually criminal in business is fairly arbitrary, and can change at the drop of a hat, because much of it is set in legislation. (What is legal one year is illegal the next).

Finally, while there was certainly a great deal of fraudulent and reckless activity that led to the recent global crisis. I would like to see aggressive prosecutions for this. We might yet see it. It takes time to carry out investigations in these matters. However, there is a problem. We'll find that the profusion of regulations has given people screens to hide behind. We'll now find it possible for executives to show that they always acted to the letter of the law, even though it is plain that the business was not in control. The problem for effective regulation is simply that the letter of the law now leaves so many gaps, that it is reasonably easy to exploit. The more regulations, the more gaps.

What is required is less complex regulation, but much more aggressive application of the existing laws.

But the notion that there is a grand conspiracy of criminality in the Financial Services Industry that is robbing Britain of billions annually is just totally wrong-headed. The Financial Services Industry is the single biggest revenue generator in the UK, and therefore it pays for more social services than any other business - between corporation tax and wages (and the tax on wages etc).

[Mysturji]

Never attribute to conspiracy or malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.

[Santa_Claus]

The sadness is that there is any debate about giving money (and free housing) to anyone who sticks 2 fingers up at the law abiding who pay the taxes..........the answer to me is obvious. F#ck 'em........but because we are "civilised" they can have food vouchers. and a free tent - on Dartmoor.....

For those with jobs? My bet is that most receive some form of benefits, whether it is tax credits or housing whatever - and if not, they can afford a healthy fine (in the high £1,000's).

[Cunt]

But the notion that there is a grand conspiracy of criminality in the Financial Services Industry that is robbing Britain of billions annually is just totally wrong-headed. The Financial Services Industry is the single biggest revenue generator in the UK, and therefore it pays for more social services than any other business - between corporation tax and wages (and the tax on wages etc).

okay, so the law, without ay conspiracy (agreed!) has made it easy to get away with white collar crime, for the rich and the poor. Very fair, in its way.
Does the law also make it difficult to get away with stealing food, or sneaking into public buildings to sleep, for the rich OR the poor?

Is it fair to prohibit begging on the street, while allowing it for anyone who can afford an ofice?

[Atheist-Lite]

I think killing so many old people, with the accidental overdrugging - cough **euthenaisa** programme in old peoples homes in the UK contributed to a lack of role models. I'm all in favour of voluntary euthenasia as most realise but I'm equally fervent in opposition to the current practice of enforced euthenasia which is happening right now across the UK.

[Warren Dew]

Signed.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.g ... nature/new

What's the number at?

[Mysturji]

Signed.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.g ... nature/new

What's the number at?

Currently 177,170
It needs 100,000 to be guaranteed a debate in the House of Commons.

I'm considering starting an e-Petition to correct the spelling on the "Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits." e-Petition.
Who's with me?

[Feck]

Signed.
https://submissions.epetitions.direct.g ... nature/new

What's the number at?

Currently 177,170
It needs 100,000 to be guaranteed a debate in the House of Commons.

I'm considering starting an e-Petition to correct the spelling on the "Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits." e-Petition.
Who's with me?

Start a petition that those who sign badly spelt petitions be sent back to school for a year .

[Thinking Aloud]

There's a response now posted on the e-petition page: https://submissions.epetitions.direct.g ... tions/7337

This e-petition has received the following response:

This e-petition has reached 100,000 signatures. The Government has notified the Backbench Business Committee in the House of Commons who will consider its suitability for debate when Parliament returns in September. This e-petition will remain live, and people will be able to continue adding their signatures.

As you may be aware, the House of Commons debated the recent public disorder when Parliament was recalled on 11 August 2011 and there was an opportunity for MPs to address the substance of this e-petition. This does not preclude a decision by the Backbench Business Committee to schedule a further debate on this issue when the House of Commons returns from the summer recess.

In the meantime, we would like to update you on the Government’s current position on the substance of this e-petition.

Prisoners convicted of a criminal offence and detained in prison are not entitled to social security benefits. That means that anyone who is eligible for social security benefits and who is caught, convicted and imprisoned for any offence committed during the recent disorder that has disrupted London and other UK cities will be disqualified from receiving social security payments. The Department for Work and Pensions is also looking at whether further sanctions can be imposed on the benefit entitlements of individuals who receive non custodial sentences. In addition the Department is considering increasing the level of fines which can be deducted from benefit entitlement.

In relation to social housing, it is already a ground for eviction if a tenant or a member of their family is involved in anti-social behaviour or criminal activity in their local neighbourhood. Ministers have encouraged social landlords to use these powers, and a number of local authorities have pledged to do so. The Department for Communities and Local Government is consulting on proposals to allow such evictions to take place where the criminal activity takes place outside the vicinity of the local neighbourhood; more information is available to view here: http://www.communities.gov.uk/statement ... icdisorder .

[Geoff]

You only have three basic choices.

1: Let them starve
2: Force them to work
3: Keep giving them free money and benefits

False choice.

For example - you could reduce the free money given to anyone convicted of criminal involvement in the recent riots and related crimes.

And, if that is not enough for basic food, clothing, and rent? What if that just makes them more unhappy and prone to riot? Could require some tough decisions.

Arrest them and prosecute them, and jail them.

Not enough room in the prisons, unfortunately.

[Mysturji]

You only have three basic choices.

1: Let them starve
2: Force them to work
3: Keep giving them free money and benefits

False choice.

For example - you could reduce the free money given to anyone convicted of criminal involvement in the recent riots and related crimes.

And, if that is not enough for basic food, clothing, and rent? What if that just makes them more unhappy and prone to riot? Could require some tough decisions.

Arrest them and prosecute them, and jail them.

Not enough room in the prisons, unfortunately.

Bunk cells.

[Feck]

You only have three basic choices.

1: Let them starve
2: Force them to work
3: Keep giving them free money and benefits

False choice.

For example - you could reduce the free money given to anyone convicted of criminal involvement in the recent riots and related crimes.

And, if that is not enough for basic food, clothing, and rent? What if that just makes them more unhappy and prone to riot? Could require some tough decisions.

Arrest them and prosecute them, and jail them.

Not enough room in the prisons, unfortunately.

So you remove their money knowing that it will lead to more criminality thinking that THEN you can lock them all up in the end anyway ? Good Plan add some more deprivation to deprived areas ! Even Ignoring the social implications of this, it's a very expensive waste of time

[Mysturji]

Use the money saved by not paying rioters' benefits to build more prisons.