Cancers Are Newly Evolved Parasitic Species

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Re: Cancers Are Newly Evolved Parasitic Species

Post by mistermack » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:18 pm

GenesForLife wrote: A species is a population of interfertile organisms (if sexually reproducing) or an organism and its descendents (if not and clonality is maintained, or single organisms). That is how it is defined, if you don't like it you can bugger off.
That's what you wrote. It applies to any cell that divides.

I never said that every cell that divides would be a new species. I said it would be a symbiotic species. And then that every one that PRODUCED A MUTATION would be a new species. If you have to invent what I wrote, you're already lost.

If you don't like what you wrote yourself, perhaps YOU should bugger off.

You are just producing more crap, to back up the crap you wrote earlier.
I'm fed up with it now, so I'll leave it to you.
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Re: Cancers Are Newly Evolved Parasitic Species

Post by GenesForLife » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:24 pm

mistermack wrote:
GenesForLife wrote: A species is a population of interfertile organisms (if sexually reproducing) or an organism and its descendents (if not and clonality is maintained, or single organisms). That is how it is defined, if you don't like it you can bugger off.
That's what you wrote. It applies to any cell that divides.

I never said that every cell that divides would be a new species. I said it would be a symbiotic species. And then that every one that PRODUCED A MUTATION would be a new species. If you have to invent what I wrote, you're already lost.

If you don't like what you wrote yourself, perhaps YOU should bugger off.

You are just producing more crap, to back up the crap you wrote earlier.
I'm fed up with it now, so I'll leave it to you.
Read what I wrote again. How can you get exactly what I wrote bolded in red and still get it wrong?.
If it is mutated and is reproductively autonomous yes that would be a new phylotype, it and all its descendents, as long as the descendents were identical to the mutant. If the descendents were then again different from the first mutant, those descendents would comprise a new phylotype. If these cells & descendent clones are not autonomous they are not symbiotic organisms, they're just symbiotic in nature, they're just not organisms.

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Re: Cancers Are Newly Evolved Parasitic Species

Post by GenesForLife » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:47 pm

More evidence, and it basically supports what I've said.

In arguing that almost all contemporary biologists
adopt the same general species concept, I do not mean to
imply that there are no conceptual differences in their
views on species. Differences of opinion are numerous
and include such important issues as whether species can
persist though lineage-splitting events, whether more than
one successive species can exist in an unbranched lineage,
and whether asexual organisms form species. Numerous
differences also exist concerning mechanistic hypotheses
about the origin and maintenance of species in terms of
geography, demography, genetics, gene flow, drift, and
natural selection (see Bush, 1975; Tempieton, 1981). But
all these manifest differences do not concern the concept
of the kind of entity designated by the tetmspeciesthere
is virtually universal agreement that species are segments
of population-level evolutionary lineages.
Whatever I've written is directly derivable from the bolded bit & is compatible with it (since, in different cases, segments of lineages are represented by interfertile populations, or clones, or variants thereof) . As far as the previous assertion of "anything goes" wrt species is concerned, there is substantive evidence that whatever extant definitions exist are congruent to the bolded bit, firstly, and secondly that they all reduce to the same thing, but only focus on different bits, none of which includes how long a lineage exists or whether it can spread.

Full paper here http://si-pddr.si.edu/jspui/bitstream/1 ... sForms.pdf

As it would appear, I'm not writing crap, what I've written is perfectly in-tune with what is scientifically the case.

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