Tottenham Riots

[HomerJay]

http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/

[Thinking Aloud]

According to one commenter on the BBC website, it's all down to a "Failed education system where reading parables & singing hymns was long since banned by atheists & trade unions".

Hear that? It's all the atheists fault. In collusion with Trade Unions. For sure.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Taxi driver told me there's no looting in Lincoln today.

You must be so disappointed.

[Cormac]

Army would be an appalling idea most the people in the area of the riots are totally innocent and even if you shoot one of the guilty ones you are only going to make the riots a 100 times worse

Using the army doesn't necessitate use of guns. They can act as additional riot police.

[Azathoth]

Army would be an appalling idea most the people in the area of the riots are totally innocent and even if you shoot one of the guilty ones you are only going to make the riots a 100 times worse

Using the army doesn't necessitate use of guns. They can act as additional riot police.

They will already be there. Look for the ones without numbers on their shoulders having the most fun

[Cormac]

There will be a lot of insurance fraud this week .

Good point who is really the criminals here, the rioting thugs or the middle classes who will actually steal a lot more

Steal? From whom? Themselves?

The Middle Class fund the vast majority of public services. Incidentally, if you're posting on this site, the chances are that you too are middle class.

[Cormac]

Just heard an unconfirmed report (from a coworker) of looting in Hounslow.
I work in Hounslow.
Nothing on BBC about it yet.

Nice establishment of an alibi there.

(Can you pick me up a pair of Nikes when you're looting?).

[Cormac]

Army would be an appalling idea most the people in the area of the riots are totally innocent and even if you shoot one of the guilty ones you are only going to make the riots a 100 times worse

Using the army doesn't necessitate use of guns. They can act as additional riot police.

They will already be there. Look for the ones without numbers on their shoulders having the most fun

So, it would be a solution either way.

Cancel leave, and call 'em all up on an emergency basis, and that should help. (If you're correct).

[Atheist-Lite]

I blame Cameron for withdrawing all the liquidity from the system in his hysterical fear of inflation. Without cash the mob will just loot. Cash exists as a bribe to not loot. That's why money exists - it is controled corruption. Now we have rampant crime 'cos some economists pretended to know what's best again and took all the 'fiscal lubricant' from the wheels of capatalism.

[The Red Fox]

At worst, the damage of these riots will cost something along the lines of millions of pounds.

White-collar financial crime such as fraud, embezzlement and tax evasion is theft and looting of resources which costs the economy tens of billions of pounds each and every year.

If we're going to impose martial law in London, something which nobody seems to understand the implications of, the army also needs to be deployed in the City of London to stop these white-collar thieves and looters who systematically rob billions from the economy each year for their personal gain. We're all in this together, after all.

[Rum]

At worst, the damage of these riots will cost something along the lines of millions of pounds.

White-collar financial crime such as fraud, embezzlement and tax evasion is theft and looting of resources which costs the economy tens of billions of pounds each and every year.

If we're going to impose martial law in London, something which nobody seems to understand the implications of, the army also needs to be deployed in the City of London to stop these white-collar thieves and looters who systematically rob billions from the economy each year for their personal gain. We're all in this together, after all.

Like it or not the business that goes on in the City is for the most part legitimate - certainly legal, however morally suspect it may be to many of us. Creating mayhem on the streets and destroying the property of ordinary people is, thankfully, not.

Nobody is talking about martial law either.

[Lozzer]

This makes me

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwOXaik ... r_embedded[/youtube]

[Rum]

Its good to see comeuppance happening!

[The Red Fox]

At worst, the damage of these riots will cost something along the lines of millions of pounds.

White-collar financial crime such as fraud, embezzlement and tax evasion is theft and looting of resources which costs the economy tens of billions of pounds each and every year.

If we're going to impose martial law in London, something which nobody seems to understand the implications of, the army also needs to be deployed in the City of London to stop these white-collar thieves and looters who systematically rob billions from the economy each year for their personal gain. We're all in this together, after all.

Like it or not the business that goes on in the City is for the most part legitimate - certainly legal, however suspect it may be at times on a moral basis. Creating mayhem on the streets and destroying the property of ordinary people is, thankfully, not.

Nobody is talking about martial law either.

I was trying to illustrate a point. If we're willing to do something as drastic as sending in the military to deal with rioting which is costing the economy millions, why aren't we making the same effort to tackle white-collar financial crime (which primarily occurs within the City of London) which is costing the economy billions annually? It was more a way of highlighting the inherent bias that's involved in tackling crime. Just looters wear suits and work within legitimate businesses, doesn't mean they shouldn't be brought to justice with the full force of the law.

I still think sending in troops is a bad idea, martial law or not. It sets a worrying precedent. If things get to the stage of Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles, maybe then. Soldiers don't have the same training as police, they're trained to kill, not to solve civil unrest.

I would also like to see more of this. Interesting how it's immigrants who have a stronger sense of community and willingness to protect themselves and their businesses than the natives. We could learn something from that. If we still had any sense of community left we'd be able to handle the rioters no problem. Most of them probably wouldn't exist in the first place. We used to keep each other in line, now we hand responsibility off to anyone else (as evidenced by our helpless reliance on government agencies to tackle this problem). And we wonder why there are now hundreds of amoral sociopaths burning down London.

[Rum]

At worst, the damage of these riots will cost something along the lines of millions of pounds.

White-collar financial crime such as fraud, embezzlement and tax evasion is theft and looting of resources which costs the economy tens of billions of pounds each and every year.

If we're going to impose martial law in London, something which nobody seems to understand the implications of, the army also needs to be deployed in the City of London to stop these white-collar thieves and looters who systematically rob billions from the economy each year for their personal gain. We're all in this together, after all.

Like it or not the business that goes on in the City is for the most part legitimate - certainly legal, however suspect it may be at times on a moral basis. Creating mayhem on the streets and destroying the property of ordinary people is, thankfully, not.

Nobody is talking about martial law either.

I was trying to illustrate a point. If we're willing to do something as drastic as sending in the military to deal with rioting which is costing the economy millions, why aren't we making the same effort to tackle white-collar financial crime (which primarily occurs within the City of London) which is costing the economy billions annually? It was more a way of highlighting the inherent bias that's involved in tackling crime. Just looters wear suits and work within legitimate businesses, doesn't mean they shouldn't be brought to justice with the full force of the law.

I still think sending in troops is a bad idea, martial law or not. It sets a worrying precedent. If things get to the stage of Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles, maybe then. Soldiers don't have the same training as police, they're trained to kill, not to solve civil unrest.

I would also like to see more of this. Interesting how it's immigrants who have a stronger sense of community and willingness to protect themselves and their businesses than the natives. We could learn something from that. If we still had any sense of community left we'd be able to handle the rioters no problem. Most of them probably wouldn't exist in the first place. We used to keep each other in line, now we hand responsibility off to anyone else (as evidenced by our helpless reliance on government agencies to tackle this problem). And we wonder why there are now hundreds of amoral sociopaths burning down London.

I tend to agree about the troops, having thought it through, though this morning having just heard the news and seen the images I was all for it for a while.

I agree with the general point about bankers I suppose, but perhaps a better way of looking at it is by noting the billions we have had to spend on bailing out the banks and bankers who blew it for the rest of us, while at the same time the coalition is cutting the education support allowance and services for the most vulnerable and poor - many of whom will have been out on the streets.