Guess how old this girl is

[hadespussercats]

Highly recommend this film .. .

Funny, I kept thinking of this-- how shocked everyone was by Abigail Breslin's Superfreak dance, when she was the only contestant up there who actually looked like a little girl.

I love that movie. And the costumes are brilliant. Ms. Breslin's in particular.

[hadespussercats]

I mean, there's the obvious "child exploitation" part of this argument. But knowing the fashion industry, I believe this is more about getting customers that are younger and younger. Kids in LA are already "label crazy" and this only kicks it up a notch to HIGH fashion. hip mommy and daddy's buying 20 lipsticks and 100 dollar rings? It's like "being self conscious at 16 isn't good enough, we want them questioning their self worth and needing our products at 10, bitches!!!!"

Not to mention, she looks miserable in every photo, even lying under a christmas tree? They aren't utilizing her age for anything but to look like a regular model. I just don't see the point in using someone that age at all if that's the case.

This is a good point. I just finished reading American Vogue's August "Age" issue, and there was an article featuring Dakota and Elle Fanning. Dakota is 18 now, and i think Elle is 13, but they both remember being into things like Prada handbags when they were eight.

There's something about that that feels very wrong to me.

Although maybe if I had that kind of money to piss away on handbags it wouldn't...

[Audley Strange]

Reading through some of the responses on this thread is akin to reading the reactions of certain Taliban males and crazy Imams would have seeing a Muslim woman in a bikini on the front of Vogue.

An industry which exploits individuals in order to exploit the majority is always going to do things that offends certain sensibilities, thrives on it in fact. As Evabot accurately pointed out they are using the young girl in the same way they would any other model. A at the VERY WORST it should be considered tasteless, you'd need to be mental consider the concept behind the shoot was to promote and encourage child rape or to support child rape enthusiasts, child labour, the collapse of Western Civilisation, or a harbinger of the Crowned and Conquering Child.

This whole thing is a pseudo-event. It has been created and designed to get people talking about it because it will increase sales amongst the target market. It works because often those most outraged are the most vocal and first to buy the product to use as evidence of the talking point they've been handed. It's just part of the Spectacle, nothing to get your knicks in a twist about.

[leo-rcc]

Where were all the more sensible people while I was being attacked?

I couldn't be bothered to reply, but had a kudos system been in place I would have kudosed every post you made in here so so far, with the exception of this one which is clearly whining.

[charlou]

The alarmist "eeeeeeek paedophile material!!!" attitude is pretty intriguing .... Ordinary people who don't think children = sex would be the majority .. yet many of these ordinary people see pics like this and immediately think: omg sex.

[Pappa]

I thought she looked about 8... and no different to the weird girls who do American beauty pageants.

[Animavore]

Where were all the more sensible people while I was being attacked?

I couldn't be bothered to reply, but had a kudos system been in place I would have kudosed every post you made in here so so far, with the exception of this one which is clearly whining.

I was hungover when I made it

[Svartalf]

It's disgusting that they've photographed her like that. She has even done some topless ones.

isn't she still at an age when topless is pretty much meaningless? She's still flat as a boy isn't she?

[Svartalf]

She's not playing dress up, the photographers are playing at dressing her up, and then making her pose provocatively. It's not like she's playing in her mum's wardrobe, these are highly edited images published in Vogue - and, as I said, there are also topless ones. Not only that, but I have seen comments from grown women saying that they are jealous of her and her figure.

She's still about as sexy as a tree stump. I don't guess that girl could get a rise out of me, short of actively doing me, and even then, I'm not sure... the sheer amount of make up and the 50's hairdo are by themselves enough to turn off any sex vibes she might have.

[Svartalf]

Again with the paedophiles. You lot really are wrapped around the media's little fingers. They have you all in a moral panic. When I looked at these pics they did not conjure up seedy images of crusty child molestors in seedy apartments masturbating over them in the dank dark.
I just thought lol.

Depictions of ten year olds girl striking woman-like poses, wearing lipstick and other makeup that is primarily used to enhance attraction to men could not possibly be attractive to paedophiles, could they?

Then again, you are Irish, and there being no paedophiles in Ireland, this may be beyond your comprehension.

Dunno, maybe because I expect paedos to be attracted to child-like qualities and that these picture's mock-adultness (and excessively bouffant mock-adultness at that) is the kind thing I'd expect would turn them off? That girl is not even a nnymphet yet, and all the adulty stuff just makes the fact that she's a child more evident, in a way that says that she couldn't do 'sexual' even if she wanted to because she just isn't sexual yet.

[Svartalf]

Did a bit of a search, she has a very adult FB page "miss so and so" with her full name including all the middle ones... she also has a few startlingly adults pictures of (mainly her face)... light make up, nice hairdo (likely a wig, but I don't know)... that face could be 6 or 10 years older than she really is, must have been lots of work.

[Svartalf]

I'm aware that these photos are meant to make a point, but they obviously haven't done it very well if people envy her or find these photos acceptable.

What I find unutterably unacceptable is that her parents set her up to it... he's a top level footballer, she a fashion designer, it's not like they were poor lowbrows from the suburbs pushing the girl so she'll have some kind of future, she could go to school and do something without having to be a camera monkey.

[Robert_S]

Reading through some of the responses on this thread is akin to reading the reactions of certain Taliban males and crazy Imams would have seeing a Muslim woman in a bikini on the front of Vogue.

An industry which exploits individuals in order to exploit the majority is always going to do things that offends certain sensibilities, thrives on it in fact. As Evabot accurately pointed out they are using the young girl in the same way they would any other model. A at the VERY WORST it should be considered tasteless, you'd need to be mental consider the concept behind the shoot was to promote and encourage child rape or to support child rape enthusiasts, child labour, the collapse of Western Civilisation, or a harbinger of the Crowned and Conquering Child.

This whole thing is a pseudo-event. It has been created and designed to get people talking about it because it will increase sales amongst the target market. It works because often those most outraged are the most vocal and first to buy the product to use as evidence of the talking point they've been handed. It's just part of the Spectacle, nothing to get your knicks in a twist about.

Somewhat relatedly: I went into an Abercombie & Fitch store a couple of years ago to get my niece a gift certificate for Baby Jesus-mas and I felt weird in there. The B&W photos of nude and semi-nude people brought out an alarming air of palpable sleaze that outdid any porn shop or strip club I've been in.

I think it was not so much from the sexuality, but the tone of the blatant marketing of it. I'm not prudish at all about selling sex, but selling a sexual identity in the form of a product from a factory makes me uncomfortable. And that's something that the style of these photos conveys to me. That there is a young girl in place where an older one would be brings it that much more into focus to me and gave me that same feeling I had in that store.

[Audley Strange]

Somewhat relatedly: I went into an Abercombie & Fitch store a couple of years ago to get my niece a gift certificate for Baby Jesus-mas and I felt weird in there. The B&W photos of nude and semi-nude people brought out an alarming air of palpable sleaze that outdid any porn shop or strip club I've been in.

I think it was not so much from the sexuality, but the tone of the blatant marketing of it. I'm not prudish at all about selling sex, but selling a sexual identity in the form of a product from a factory makes me uncomfortable. And that's something that the style of these photos conveys to me. That there is a young girl in place where an older one would be brings it that much more into focus to me and gave me that same feeling I had in that store.

Interesting. As normal this leaves me with more questions than it answers, sorry.

What made the images sleazy, was it the composition of them or the juxtaposition of erotica with shopping?

Are they selling a sexual identity do you think or are they selling a sort of middle class "liberated" arty hipster chic?

Given your reaction is similar in both cases could it be you are reacting badly to the general aesthetic rather than the age of the model?

And I'll open this one up. Which images would be more questionable to you, ones of a young girl made up to look like a much older woman or a woman made up to look like a very young girl?

[Hermit]

Which images would be more questionable to you, ones of a young girl made up to look like a much older woman or a woman made up to look like a very young girl?

Well, the former looks to me like exploitation of a child, at least in this instance:



The latter can look a bit out of the ordinary, but we are dealing with someone old enough to make adult decisions.



So, the former.