Norway Loony. Why the surprise?

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Post by Cormac » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:46 pm

mistermack wrote:This argument that the money has already been taxed is totally ludicrous.
When you buy anything, it's taxed again. Money is taxed whenever it changes hands, except for when you buy food.

In fact, people who inherit vast sums get a huge tax break at the moment.
If you worked for that money, you would pay tax. If it's dropped in your lap, you seem to think you should pay nothing. In my view it's income and should at least be taxed as income.

This leads to a ridiculous situation. Imagine a farmer who had two sons, one working from dawn till dusk, gets paid £30,000 and pays full tax on it.
The other son does nothing, but he's the favourite. The father GIVES him £100,000.
Your argument would have him paying nothing, and the other paying full income tax.


Exactly, because I don't believe that the state has the right to tax every single transfer of money, in the first instance. Secondly, if a person wants to disinherit one son and give it all to another, that is his right. The state's right to tax is limited. My country is seeing tax after tax being imposed. Money belongs to the person who earned it.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:22 pm

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Post by Feck » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:25 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
"Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a misstep."
Why doesn't Mars have moons or tides ?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:26 pm

Feck wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
"Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a misstep."
Why doesn't Mars have moons or tides ?
So God didn't make Mars, Bill?
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Post by MrJonno » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:27 pm

laklak wrote:Absolutely would rather pay higher income tax. Inheritance tax penalizes hard work and subsidizes wasteful government spending - though TBH it's usually wasteful government spending that brings up inheritance tax increases to start with. Pay as you go, that's my motto. If governments were required to balance their budgets on an annual basis you'd see a pretty damn immediate decrease in unnecessary expenditures. Well, you certainly would after they raise income taxes to unbearable levels to support their drunken sailor on leave spending, because they'd get voted out of office.

High inheritance taxes are a disincentive. Why should I work hard establishing a business or accumulating wealth if the government is simply going to take it all when I die? I didn't work my ass off for so long just for myself, I'd have gotten along just fine on a third of what I've earned. The remainder is for the future, for my kids when I pop my clogs. If I lived in a welfare state with 100% inheritance tax I wouldn't have bothered, I'd just have taken some menial job and smoked a lot more dope.

On second thought......
Thoughtful answer from laklak as usual , wrong answer but still thoughtful . I think people should be encouraged to die with nothing (and party until they do) better for them and for society as whole as it gets money flowing (into the private sector). Thats the best way to avoid inheritance tax die in debt and make a profit on life
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Post by Cormac » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:31 pm

Feck wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
"Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a misstep."
Why doesn't Mars have moons or tides ?

Goddidit.

Prolly something to do with magnets...
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Post by sandinista » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:35 pm

funny article, best quote; ""No one believing in Jesus commits mass murder," :spray:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:36 pm

sandinista wrote:funny article, best quote; ""No one believing in Jesus commits mass murder," :spray:
I think the whole Fox News network will someday be exposed as a very complex Poe op. :prof: :smug:
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Post by Warren Dew » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:42 pm

MrJonno wrote:Thats the best way to avoid inheritance tax die in debt and make a profit on life
Problem is, you can't predict how long you'll live.

The best way to avoid inheritance tax, presently, is to will everything to charity, which is what happens with the really big inheritances. If the government is going to make any real money off of inheritance taxes, they are going to have to close the charitable donation loophole.

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Post by Feck » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:47 pm

Inheritance tax .... capitalist esp libertarian economics are based on this idea that the rich have earned it , it does not work if you can inherit large sums of loot . The meritocracy can not rise if the children of the prosperous not only have all the advantages of health and education contacts etc but are allowed to inherit wealth too . Inheritance is a major stumbling block to a fair society. Why do you think that in- bred sons of the aristocracy should be handed vast sums of loot when they have managed to fail at some of the best schools in the country ?


BTW I'm playing devils advocate here to some degree .
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Post by sandinista » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:50 pm

Feck wrote:Inheritance tax .... capitalist esp libertarian economics are based on this idea that the rich have earned it , it does not work if you can inherit large sums of loot . The meritocracy can not rise if the children of the prosperous not only have all the advantages of health and education contacts etc but are allowed to inherit wealth too . Inheritance is a major stumbling block to a fair society. Why do you think that in- bred sons of the aristocracy should be handed vast sums of loot when they have managed to fail at some of the best schools in the country ?


BTW I'm playing devils advocate here to some degree .
Except that capitalist economies have nothing to do with a fair society. Stumbling blocks don't matter, there is nothing "fair" about capitalism.
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sandinista wrote:
Feck wrote:Inheritance tax .... capitalist esp libertarian economics are based on this idea that the rich have earned it , it does not work if you can inherit large sums of loot . The meritocracy can not rise if the children of the prosperous not only have all the advantages of health and education contacts etc but are allowed to inherit wealth too . Inheritance is a major stumbling block to a fair society. Why do you think that in- bred sons of the aristocracy should be handed vast sums of loot when they have managed to fail at some of the best schools in the country ?


BTW I'm playing devils advocate here to some degree .
Except that capitalist economies have nothing to do with a fair society. Stumbling blocks don't matter, there is nothing "fair" about capitalism.
Yes I know My post was to point out the flaw in the idea that the rich got rich on their(dubious) merits .
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Post by sandinista » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:01 pm

Feck wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Feck wrote:Inheritance tax .... capitalist esp libertarian economics are based on this idea that the rich have earned it , it does not work if you can inherit large sums of loot . The meritocracy can not rise if the children of the prosperous not only have all the advantages of health and education contacts etc but are allowed to inherit wealth too . Inheritance is a major stumbling block to a fair society. Why do you think that in- bred sons of the aristocracy should be handed vast sums of loot when they have managed to fail at some of the best schools in the country ?


BTW I'm playing devils advocate here to some degree .
Except that capitalist economies have nothing to do with a fair society. Stumbling blocks don't matter, there is nothing "fair" about capitalism.
Yes I know My post was to point out the flaw in the idea that the rich got rich on their(dubious) merits .
I think by this point the idea that that rich get rich by their own merits is as believable as our good friend the sky god. I doubt any rational person believes this, nothing but propaganda (by the rich no less).
Our struggle is not against actual corrupt individuals, but against those in power in general, against their authority, against the global order and the ideological mystification which sustains it.

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