Norway Loony. Why the surprise?

[mistermack]

While I don't like gun nuts, and hate right wing loonies, I don't understand why people are so amazed at what's happened.

Many European countries are being swamped with immigrants. It is much too fast, and too far. And what really enrages people, is that they have never been asked about this.

Surely a social and racial experiment like this should be put to a referendum, not slipped in gradually and quietly under the counter? If the people have voted for it, then that's fair enough. You give way to the majority. But being lied to, and conned, and called names if you complain, is bound to make people crack in the end.

This guy really thought he was starting something. He is mental, but if it all keeps going on, it might come true.

Nobody can blame the immigrants for wanting to come, and integration should be encouraged all of the time, but I say that the unrestrained immigration should stop now, if we don't want to see more of the same.

[Robert_S]

The EU and UK should encourage more Merkins to come over on a temporary basis instead. I know a lot of us would love to go and I think it would be great to have more people here who have lived a while abroad.


Damn I'm sick of this heat and humidity, get me out NOW!!!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

When there was about 1,000,000 people in the world, a one-in-a-million loony was pretty rare. Now there are over 300,000,000 people in the US alone, so there are hundreds of the one-in-a-million guys running around right now. (Most of them reside in D.C., of course.)

[Animavore]

[klr]

... and it's a valid reaction to a social issue to massacre dozens of citizens in a premeditated manner? Why doesn't it happen all the time then? Many countries have many serious social/economic issues that a goodly proportion of their population are quite vexed about.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Is that from "Johnny Mnemonic"?

[MrJonno]

Many European countries are being swamped with immigrants

I'm not aware of any where immigrants make up anything other than a tiny % of the population, Greece is probably the worst with Albanian immigrants (from over the border).


The only political issue is how we deal with these extremists

[devogue]

Why couldn't he just shoot fucking teapots to get it out of his system?

[Robert_S]

While I don't like gun nuts, and hate right wing loonies, I don't understand why people are so amazed at what's happened.

Many European countries are being swamped with immigrants. It is much too fast, and too far. And what really enrages people, is that they have never been asked about this.

Surely a social and racial experiment like this should be put to a referendum, not slipped in gradually and quietly under the counter? If the people have voted for it, then that's fair enough. You give way to the majority. But being lied to, and conned, and called names if you complain, is bound to make people crack in the end.

This guy really thought he was starting something. He is mental, but if it all keeps going on, it might come true.

Nobody can blame the immigrants for wanting to come, and integration should be encouraged all of the time, but I say that the unrestrained immigration should stop now, if we don't want to see more of the same.

On a more serious note, if there was a chance of getting the people in a democracy to change course on immigration, then why didn't this loony go and work on that kind of project? I'm guessing because on some level he knows that not enough people share his views to make for much of a movement, but couldn't really accept the fact. So he slipped slowly away from humanity and isolated himself from anyone who would be willing to say "Hey, you're kinda losing the plot here" as his grip shifted from reality to twisted dogmas because they had long ago said their piece, or not, and moved on.

So, that's my conjecture. Lone gunman is lone.

[mistermack]

... and it's a valid reaction to a social issue to massacre dozens of citizens in a premeditated manner? Why doesn't it happen all the time then? Many countries have many serious social/economic issues that a goodly proportion of their population are quite vexed about.

No, it's not a valid reaction. But it's still pretty awful when it happens.
And it's an indication of how the more rational people feel. They don't encourage massacres, but they do feel cheated by their politicians.

[mistermack]

Many European countries are being swamped with immigrants

I'm not aware of any where immigrants make up anything other than a tiny % of the population, Greece is probably the worst with Albanian immigrants (from over the border).


The only political issue is how we deal with these extremists

At the beginning of 2010, there were 552,313 people in Norway of some immigrant background (including those born of immigrant parents), comprising 11.4% of the total population. 210,725 were from Western countries (Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) and 341,588 were from other countries. The largest immigrant groups by country of origin, in order of size, are Poles, Swedes, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Somalis, Germans, Vietnamese, and Danes.[104]

Pakistani Norwegians are the largest non-European minority group in Norway, and most of their 31,000 members live around Oslo. The Iraqi immigrant population has increased significantly in recent years.

The political question is, were Norwegians ever consulted about this?

The politicians do it because it makes their figures look better. They can point to growth of the economy, and try to take the credit, instead of pointing out why it happened.

[Feck]

Why Should the population be consulted over this topic especially ? you don't elect a democratic government and then decide that the issue of immigration is somehow outwith the governments remit .What else could you say that about: Laws ,Taxes ,fishing rights??? clearly any and every action of a government takes or doesn't will be unpopular with some people and they will all squeal that the government hasn't 'consulted' the people and there should be a referendum . If this is such an issue for the majority of Norwegians then a political party will use it at the front piece of their manifesto and be voted in on it ,or not . Welcome to a 'representative ' democracy .

[mistermack]

Why Should the population be consulted over this topic especially ? you don't elect a democratic government and then decide that the issue of immigration is somehow outwith the governments remit .What else could you say that about: Laws ,Taxes ,fishing rights??? clearly any and every action of a government takes or doesn't will be unpopular with some people and they will all squeal that the government hasn't 'consulted' the people and there should be a referendum . If this is such an issue for the majority of Norwegians then a political party will use it at the front piece of their manifesto and be voted in on it ,or not . Welcome to a 'representative ' democracy .

Well, I would argue that altering the racial and religious mix of the country is a fundamental change, a dangerous change, and fishing is not in the same league.
And it can fester for years. Look at Northern Ireland.

I'm not a fan of referendums, except for fundamental issues like this.

The annoying thing is that the mainstream parties all allow the same amount of immigration. If you disagree with it, there is no alternative offered, except the loony fringe. So in most countries, there is no real choice.

If you were to go out asking people in European countries if they would like immigration to stop, you would get a huge majority in favour of that. But the politicians are ignoring this.

[MrJonno]

At the beginning of 2010, there were 552,313 people in Norway of some immigrant background (including those born of immigrant parents), comprising 11.4% of the total population. 210,725 were from Western countries (Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) and 341,588 were from other countries. The largest immigrant groups by country of origin, in order of size, are Poles, Swedes, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Somalis, Germans, Vietnamese, and Danes.[104]

Pakistani Norwegians are the largest non-European minority group in Norway, and most of their 31,000 members live around Oslo. The Iraqi immigrant population has increased significantly in recent years.

So most of these 'immigrants' are from countries that Norway has free trade (EFTA) (or freeish) trade and I would assume there were probably a lot more Norwegians living abroad. The largest non-European group is 31000 wow what a non-existant problem.

Best way to deal with immigration find people who want to cross half the world to work in your country and for every one that comes in throw out some right wing loony who objects. I know who I would rather have in my country

[Feck]

i'm sorry but if it upsets anyone that 1 in twenty faces they see on the street are a different colour then fuck-em .There used to be a lot more Norwegians and Americans living in my city than those figures . You want to see the stupidity of the general population hold a referendum in Scotland to see if all English people should be deported .