Oslo Blast Gun Derail

[Gallstones]

Anyone else here think Seth and Gawdzilla are like an old married couple?
They have that love-hate thing going on.

More like exterminator-cockroach. Sorry, Seeth, nothing personal.

Why would Seth take being called an exterminator personally?

Being associated with all those deadly chemicals.

[Gallstones]

Woohoo! Neighbor was killed for having a fishing rod! That fucking passive father of three deserved it for having such an edgy hobby as fishing!

The actual example I was thinking of was a chair leg in a plastic bag (and the guy did have a record for armed robbery) , but if tragic mistakes like that are the price of ensuring we don't get guns flooding the streets then its a price that society has to pay

I suppose you're right.
Unless you are the guy who just picked up a replacement chair leg to repair a chair.

[Tyrannical]

An AK-47 is a horribly inaccurate weapons at distance. It is more of a point and shoot weapon like a shotgun, hence full automatic being the norm, than an aim and fire weapon like a rifle.

You take it the wrong way around. It has not been designed for long range accuracy because it was specifically made for relatively short range action, while set on full auto.
and while not the best weapon for the purpose, it is fairly accurate, and long ranged thanks to its powerful ammunition, when on single shot.

But what is the purpose of long range when the inherent inaccuracy makes long range aiming impossible?
Surely those atheist communists didn't say pray and spray

[Pensioner]

An AK-47 is a horribly inaccurate weapons at distance. It is more of a point and shoot weapon like a shotgun, hence full automatic being the norm, than an aim and fire weapon like a rifle.

Bull shit.

[Gallstones]

If somebody plans for 9 years to kill, somebody's most likely going to die. We weren't even talking about armed police in the first place, we were talking about armed citizens. OK, the cop was the first to go, and he was maybe the only cop on duty. Without trained and armed citizens, they had to wait 90 minutes, during which psycho racked up his body count. If there had been a citizen or two who had been allowed to carry a firearm, among the 250 present, the body count would almost certanly have been much lower. It's just common sense. Perhaps it's common sense that has been bred out of you city folk?

You mean there are people who live outside cities?, To be honest not many in Europe vast majority of us live in high density cities. Wouldnt catch me dead living anywhere that didnt have a million people within an hours walking distance

The more people with guns the more likely you are going to get one shooting up a school that to me is 'common' sense in fact want to shoot up a school become a teacher fantastic

I am a teacher and also a gun owner. How in the hell have I managed to miss out on 15 years of potential slaughter? I fail as a gun-owning lunatic.

Your club membership is canceled mister. Yer out.

[Svartalf]

An AK-47 is a horribly inaccurate weapons at distance. It is more of a point and shoot weapon like a shotgun, hence full automatic being the norm, than an aim and fire weapon like a rifle.

You take it the wrong way around. It has not been designed for long range accuracy because it was specifically made for relatively short range action, while set on full auto.
and while not the best weapon for the purpose, it is fairly accurate, and long ranged thanks to its powerful ammunition, when on single shot.

But what is the purpose of long range when the inherent inaccuracy makes long range aiming impossible?
Surely those atheist communists didn't say pray and spray

cowpats. I said there are rifles made specifically for the purpose that are better (usually known as sniping rifles), but the thing, when not set to spray, can be aimed at distant targets and have a fair chance of hitting, possibly comparable with pre WWII single shot infantry rifles.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There is nothing unnatural in the universe. That dichotomy is false. Humans are perfectly natural beings with perfectly natural behavior. Emasculate a human, and you get one who passively accepts his death sentence. I don't deny you that option; I just don't choose it for myself or the loved ones I can physically protect.

Rights are human creations so as natural as a car or a gun which isnt my usual definition of natural and you can't physically protect shit if enough people wish you harm. Best way of protecting youself is to ensure your neighbour knows he will be arrested if he possess a gun and that law is enforced

As for emasculating ,politically correct want to throw in cultural marxism as well and all sounds frightening familiar

Do you fear your neighbors for some reason?

If he behaves with them like he does here, would you be surprised he does?

[Warren Dew]

2.97%. That's the annual firearm-related homicide rate in the US per 100,000. Nowhere near the leader, who marks up over 50%.

I don't if you are reading the same table but it shows me that the US murder rates are 4 times higher than any other western country

If you read the table with a bit of care, you'll see that most of those US murders are committed without firearms. They have more to do with the drug culture than the gun culture.

In terms of victims of firearms murders, Norway will be comparable to or higher than the US this year.

[Gallstones]

Hunters and veterans, for example.

Strange, the very people most likely to end up as a loony gunman.

Evidence, please.

Is this some form of homeopathy? Fight the infection with the infection?
Would they have to be diluted a hundred thousand times?

Hunters and veterans are more likely to have been taught weapons discipline. Combat veterans and game hunters have seen things die and the sane ones know it's not a game.

There's a reason John Wayne wasn't a real Marine.

You just see what you want to see.
I've seen the video of US airmen blowing people apart and laughing. Supposedly highly trained military treating humans as a big joke.
You have to have something wrong with you to join the military, or go hunting.

I used to go hunting. I was too young to know better, and I regret it now. But at least I grew up.

Group insult! Group insult!

[MrJonno]

Cowards get other people to do their dirty work for them. Courageous people do the work themselves.

Intelligent people never do anything alone that can be done together or by getting someone who does it professionally for a living to do it.
Whether its negotiating a payrise (use a union) or shooting dead bad guys (get a gun trained policeman). It's why the loner in the end will never acheive anything as he will always be massively outnumbered by people who will work together to achieve their aims

Car doesnt work hire a mechanic, toilet doesnt work hire a plumber, neighbour might have a firearm get the police to arrest/shoot them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Group insult! Group insult!

I'd already written it off as just more bullshit. I've seen some of that purported video, made in the Korean War and "borrowed" for political motives.

[Pensioner]

I'm willing to fight alongside anybody in defense against turds like that Oslo fella. But if the guy next to me is cringing and refusing to stand up and fire his weapoon, hoping for outside salvation, then fuck him. He has made his choice, and I will look for the truely defenseless to defend. I wish I were better at explaining this position, but this is what we're stuck with, looks like.

You're starting to daydream out loud, like Seth, do you realise that?
Real life isn't like the magnificent seven, you know.
It's only daydreams that turn out how you want. Even in real dreams, things keep going wrong, and real life can be a bitch.
I blame the films myself. Some people are never the same after a dose of Clint Eastwood.

This a photo of me in Ireland, If one of the IRA had opened up on me with a AK 47
I would have taken them out with my 38, in my dreams maybe.

Why use a .38 when you've got a main gun and presumably a machine gun or two? But if all you had was a .38, I'm willing to bet that you'd have used it, now wouldn't you? Otherwise, why did you have it?

If I had been at that place I would have shot the bastard within a heart beat, make no mistake about it.

[Gallstones]

Why did you add that last bit, TA? You made your point well enough, then added that last bit ... for what purpose? Not a moderatorly attempt to put a person in their place ... a reference to your position in order to prop up or boost your point, I hope? So unnecessary when you can make your point well enough without.

Bloody hell, Charlou, no it wasn't. I'd have made exactly the same post regardless.

I added that bit to point out that those who have been using the phrases I quoted are hiding behind their generalisations to post things that would be considered personal attacks if they were being addressed to an individual, which as far as I'm concerned is nothing more than ad hom in disguise.

And I'm saddened that you still seem to think I have some kind of agenda, or that I consider my "position" on staff something I can wield as a weapon of superiority.

TA, aren't MrJonno and mistermack hiding behind their generalizations to post things that would be considered personal attacks if they were being addressed to an individual?

In fact I believe some of their remarks are being addressed to individuals. Yes?

[Warren Dew]

That's fine by me because any rational adult can see exactly what he's doing, but I'm not going to allow him to get away with it without rebuttal, so I'm using the same tactics he is very deliberately and in a carefully calculated manner to make a point.

In the process, I also get to score a large number of points against hoplophobes and the dangerous arguments of collectivist disarmament.

The hoplophobe and collective disarmament arguments are rational. However, where you descend to insults, you descend to the level of his irrational arguments, making it more difficult to distinguish the rational arguments from the irrational ones.

[Gallstones]

Group insult! Group insult!

I'd already written it off as just more bullshit. I've seen some of that purported video, made in the Korean War and "borrowed" for political motives.

But this was my opportunity to use that smilie and I hardly ever get to use that smilie.