Blast in Oslo

[Svartalf]

We need a conspiracy theory subforum for this kind of shit.

I've got one. He was in the employ of Rupert Murdoch to take the media heat off News International. 20 years is ok for the right payout when he gets out

Actually, that's not nutso conspiracy theory, that's a hypothesis that might get verified someday... let's put rupe on the rack and make him sing a song of Norway.

[Ronja]

Eriku, is there any certainty of the fate of your brother's friend yet?

We raised our flag to half-mast this morning, together with those neighbors who were at home. A sad, shocked circle around the flagpole... (our Ministry of the Interior recommends the mourning flag for all households of Finland, and all government buildings fly their flags at half-mast today).

. again to everyone.

[Ronja]

I read about this in our own morning paper, HBL, and Guardian tells the same story:

Local residents in a flotilla of little motorboats and fishing dinghies, knowing that a maniacal gunman was in the midst of a killing spree, bravely sailed out to rescue the dozens of terrified youngsters trapped on the tiny island of Utøya on Friday night.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... ng-breivik

Somehow this touches me more acutely than anything else I've read thus far. Incredible courage.



Edit: typo

[Lozzer]

I felt 'detached' to the situation on 7/7; but for some reason, I'm genuinely upset by something, for once.

[Eriku]

Eriku, is there any certainty of the fate of your brother's friend yet?

We raised our flag to half-mast this morning, together with those neighbors who were at home. A sad, shocked circle around the flagpole... (our Ministry of the Interior recommends the mourning flag for all households of Finland, and all government buildings fly their flags at half-mast today).

. again to everyone.

No confirmation, but seeing as she's still missing and they've gone through the island for days now so she's pretty much presumed dead.

18-19 years old, in fourth place on the local municipal Labour Party list. It's absolutely tragic... So many fine examples of our youth killed because of some deranged sociopath's misconceived perception of Marxist ideology permeating our society. It's shocking that one person can do this much damage

[MrJonno]

It's typical of crypto-Marxists to declare anyone who sees through their lies and calls them what they are to be enemies of the state and dangerous counterrevolutionaries who need to be locked up or liquidated because revelation of the truth about crypto-Marxists makes their plans for world domination more difficult to accomplish as most people don't like Marxism, crypto or otherwise, and will reject it when it's properly and correctly identified. Disinformation, propaganda and deliberate demonization of the enemies of crypto-Marxism is indicative of actual, dangerous sociopathic Marxists against whose predations appropriate precautions and measures must be taken by both individuals and society if individual liberty and societal freedom are to survive.

This sort of shit is what you find in the Norwegian psycho's manifesto

[Ronja]

Eriku, is there any certainty of the fate of your brother's friend yet?

We raised our flag to half-mast this morning, together with those neighbors who were at home. A sad, shocked circle around the flagpole... (our Ministry of the Interior recommends the mourning flag for all households of Finland, and all government buildings fly their flags at half-mast today).

. again to everyone.

No confirmation, but seeing as she's still missing and they've gone through the island for days now so she's pretty much presumed dead.

18-19 years old, in fourth place on the local municipal Labour Party list. It's absolutely tragic... So many fine examples of our youth killed because of some deranged sociopath's misconceived perception of Marxist ideology permeating our society. It's shocking that one person can do this much damage

Yes, it is deeply shocking. - do take care!

What I don't understand is how the guy managed to stay under the police radar all the time it took for him to plan and prepare these heinous acts. If he kept any contact with other "like-minded" people - he was active on some right-wing forum, wasn't he? - didn't anyone sane notice and notify the police?

[Eriku]

His postings on the internet are voicing the same concerns but he never hints at the idea of forceful action. That's partially what's so scary. I've read so many other delusional posts of the same nature, how many of them are as fervent in their beliefs.

[Ronja]

*shiver* (and not in a good way)

[Atheist-Lite]

Business troubles may have been the spark to action - he had a string of business failures behind him and had gone big with his farm enterprise in 2008. Imagine a entire nation of gun obsessed right wing loonies going that way? Won't happen before 2nd August....

[Svartalf]

A question for our Norwegian posters. Breivik was caught with multiple weapons, large quantities of ammunition, and in particular, he used frangible bullets... just how easy are such items to get in Norway? Are they even available legally or is it by definition contraband? I'm particularly interested in the bullets since I don't really see such an item being allowed for civilians, even in gun liberal places like the US.

[Don't Panic]

A question for our Norwegian posters. Breivik was caught with multiple weapons, large quantities of ammunition, and in particular, he used frangible bullets... just how easy are such items to get in Norway? Are they even available legally or is it by definition contraband? I'm particularly interested in the bullets since I don't really see such an item being allowed for civilians, even in gun liberal places like the US.

The bullets were dum-dums, he could have made them himself from standard rounds.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

A question for our Norwegian posters. Breivik was caught with multiple weapons, large quantities of ammunition, and in particular, he used frangible bullets... just how easy are such items to get in Norway? Are they even available legally or is it by definition contraband? I'm particularly interested in the bullets since I don't really see such an item being allowed for civilians, even in gun liberal places like the US.

The bullets were dum-dums, he could have made them himself from standard rounds.

You can make frangible with a sharp knife. Just cut an X on the end.

[Don't Panic]

A question for our Norwegian posters. Breivik was caught with multiple weapons, large quantities of ammunition, and in particular, he used frangible bullets... just how easy are such items to get in Norway? Are they even available legally or is it by definition contraband? I'm particularly interested in the bullets since I don't really see such an item being allowed for civilians, even in gun liberal places like the US.

The bullets were dum-dums, he could have made them himself from standard rounds.

You can make frangible with a sharp knife. Just cut an X on the end.

That's what I was talking about.

[Eriku]

That and in his manifesto there are log details as well as research on how he could inject bullets with liquid nicotine ordered from China. I don't recall it mentioning whether he succeeded in doing so, but he did have a shopping list and a method at the ready.