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by Tigger » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:23 am
MrJonno wrote:FBM wrote:Sorry to disagree, MrJonno, but if someone like Seth had been there, the shooter would've been killed after the first couple of shots.
Guess we will have to agree to disagree on that, someone like Seth was there
Would you care to elucidate?
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by MrJonno » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:28 am
No on grounds of forum rules against personal attacks, come to rationalskeptics where rules don't exist against former members
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
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by FBM » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:28 am
MrJonno wrote:FBM wrote:Sorry to disagree, MrJonno, but if someone like Seth had been there, the shooter would've been killed after the first couple of shots.
Guess we will have to agree to disagree on that, someone like Seth was there
Seth isn't a killer. He's stated already that he would risk his life to protect people in such situations. Someone like Seth wasn't there.
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by Robert_S » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:34 am
You mean "someone like Seth" as in he was fond of at least one painting with boats in it?
I would imagine that's probable but I don't think we can be sure.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by MrJonno » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:43 am
I'm sure all gun nuts who think the world is filled with marxists desperate to take away their inalienable non-existant natural rights arent the same but I would rather not find out
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by FBM » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:50 am
Owning a gun does't make one a gun nut.
Humans have been free to own the weapons of their choice for millenia. That sounds more natural than recently imposed restrictions.
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by Robert_S » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:51 am
MrJonno wrote:If someone like Seth and armed (not Seth of course as that would be a personal attack) had been on that island then those kids would have been murdered twice as fast.
Hopefully there will be a very strong crackdown on these right wing patriotic/anti-marxist/paranoid lunatics
I am not partial to a great deal of Seth's politics, but I have seen nothing at all in his philosophy, politics, logic or general sentiments that would lead to anything at all like what happened in Norway.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by MrJonno » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:07 am
I am not partial to a great deal of Seth's politics, but I have seen nothing at all in his philosophy, politics, logic or general sentiments that would lead to anything at all like what happened in Norway
Read the gunman manifesto and then read any of Seth's postings and they are interchangable, I'm sure someone like Seth would have taken out the police helicopter than came to arrest him as well.
I'm absolutely sure there is going to be a total crack down on seth like ideology all over Europe after this (and no we won't be giving school kids uzi's to defend themselves)
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by Robert_S » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:13 am
MrJonno wrote:I am not partial to a great deal of Seth's politics, but I have seen nothing at all in his philosophy, politics, logic or general sentiments that would lead to anything at all like what happened in Norway
Read the gunman manifesto and then read any of Seth's postings and they are interchangable, I'm sure someone like Seth would have taken out the police helicopter than came to arrest him as well.
I'm absolutely sure there is going to be a total crack down on seth like ideology all over Europe after this (and no we won't be giving school kids uzi's to defend themselves)
Crackdowns on ideologies.
You mean a political jihad, or more of a mass fatwa?
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by Kim salabim » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:37 am
Gallstones wrote:The headline to one of the news articles I read went like this, "Norway police arrive 90 minutes after firing began."
An hour and a half.
A person can kill a lot of people in an hour and a half.
The headline is wrong.
From the police got the message of shooting till Breivik was captured it took an hour.
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by FBM » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:46 am
Police said it took them 45 minutes to get to the island. They decided to drive because they thought a police helicopter would take longer. One report says they did not have quick access to a helicopter and once they arrived at the lake at 1800, they had difficulty finding a boat to cross over.
Twenty minutes later they were on the island and shortly after that they said the gunman surrendered without putting up a fight. His shooting spree had lasted one-and-a-half hours.
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by Kim salabim » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:55 am
FBM wrote:Police said it took them 45 minutes to get to the island. They decided to drive because they thought a police helicopter would take longer. One report says they did not have quick access to a helicopter and once they arrived at the lake at 1800, they had difficulty finding a boat to cross over.
Twenty minutes later they were on the island and shortly after that they said the gunman surrendered without putting up a fight. His shooting spree had lasted one-and-a-half hours.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14260297
Google Translated:
17.27: Notification of shooting at Utøya to Northern Buskerud Police District.
17.30: Operations Centre in Oslo police received notification of the shooting on Utøya
17.38: Oslo police receiving aid request from Nordre Buskerud Police District
17.52: The first police patrol arrives in the area - must wait for a suitable boat
18.03: Notification that the boat was on its way
18.09: Emergency Squad present on the mainland
18.25: Emergency squad landed on Utøya
18.27: The offender arrested.
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by FBM » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:59 am
At around 1650 (1450GMT), people began to hear shooting from the island of Utoeya across a lake about 35km (20 miles) north-west of Oslo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14260297
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:06 pm
Gallstones wrote:Seth isn't spewing Libertarian bullshit.
Just because Seth says it does not mean it is Libertarian.
He spewed a lot of compassion as well.
"spewed" being the operative term.
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by Seth » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:39 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:Most fatal injuries involve shootings.
Remarkable assertion. Care to post any citations evidencing the truth of it?
Fact is most fatal injuries involve automobiles.
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