Blast in Oslo

[Eriku]

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21 years doesn't seem enough...

"Putting it mildly ..."

I hope we utilise the option of extending it as he nears release... All the way until he's drawn his last breath. He's abused his freedom in a way that's more atrocious than anything that's ever happened outside of war time in Norway.
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If there's ever even so much a hint that he's going to be released, there will be the mother and father (and far worse) of all outcries, never mind mass civil disorder. Even if he lives to be 100.

I would imagine so. The stoicity of those people would be incredible if nobody had a go at him if released.

[Eriku]

There's just sooo much fucking sickness in the document...:

I can’t possibly imagine how my state of mind will be during the time of the operation, though. It will be during a steroid cycle and on top of that; during an ephedrine rush, which will increase my aggressiveness, physical performance and mental focus with at least 50-60% but possibly up to 100%. In addition, I will put my iPod on max volume as a tool to suppress fear if needed. I might just put Lux Aeterna by Clint Mansell on repeat as it is an incredibly powerful song. The combination of these factors (when added on top of intense training, simulation, superior armour and weaponry) basically turns you into an extremely focused and deadly force, a one-man-army. At the moment, I do not fear death, but I am very concerned about being afraid on the day of the mission. I’m afraid that the potential fear I might experience during the mission will paralyze me or will result in me “crapping my pants” so to speak. Theoretically, this will not happen, as I have grown to be extremely mentally disciplined and I have undergone numerous hours of training and simulations. Nevertheless, it is impossible to properly simulate a martyrdom operation so I am still somewhat concerned for my mental state during that time.

[Ronja]

And Ronja, thanks for the hug I don't blame you keeping away. Getting bogged down in this and reading into this guy's mind I've felt more like I've been observing some over-the-top Norwegian attempt at an action film where the bad guy completely wins. If you don't have the compulsion then all the better for you. I know your heart is with us, anyway.

. actually, I cut myself off from the news precisely because I have that compulsion, big time, and was in a situation where I could not afford to let it loose.

Here's another hug simply because I have no fucking idea what to say. I hate it when the unbelievable just has to be believed.

[Eriku]

And Ronja, thanks for the hug I don't blame you keeping away. Getting bogged down in this and reading into this guy's mind I've felt more like I've been observing some over-the-top Norwegian attempt at an action film where the bad guy completely wins. If you don't have the compulsion then all the better for you. I know your heart is with us, anyway.

. actually, I cut myself off from the news precisely because I have that compulsion, big time, and was in a situation where I could not afford to let it loose.

Here's another hug simply because I have no fucking idea what to say. I hate it when the unbelievable just has to be believed.

[Robert_S]

There's just sooo much fucking sickness in the document...:

I can’t possibly imagine how my state of mind will be during the time of the operation, though. It will be during a steroid cycle and on top of that; during an ephedrine rush, which will increase my aggressiveness, physical performance and mental focus with at least 50-60% but possibly up to 100%. In addition, I will put my iPod on max volume as a tool to suppress fear if needed. I might just put Lux Aeterna by Clint Mansell on repeat as it is an incredibly powerful song. The combination of these factors (when added on top of intense training, simulation, superior armour and weaponry) basically turns you into an extremely focused and deadly force, a one-man-army. At the moment, I do not fear death, but I am very concerned about being afraid on the day of the mission. I’m afraid that the potential fear I might experience during the mission will paralyze me or will result in me “crapping my pants” so to speak. Theoretically, this will not happen, as I have grown to be extremely mentally disciplined and I have undergone numerous hours of training and simulations. Nevertheless, it is impossible to properly simulate a martyrdom operation so I am still somewhat concerned for my mental state during that time.

What the fuck? A "one man army" shooting up unarmed children... I just can't wrap my mind around how someone could even think...

[Exi5tentialist]

These attacks in Norway appear to be highly political attacks on democracy by the far right, indeed the main targets (the Labour PM and Labour youth) were ostensibly at least left of centre political entities. The source of this problem isn't religion, it's the growth of the far right. It's a rising trend in Europe, with the rise of Le Pen, the burqa bans in France and - only today - in Belgium; also the English Defence League, a large group of neo-fascists in Britain. Better security, by which I mean assessing the risk posed by lack of escape routes for large gatherings, will probably be one of the outcomes but it's not going to solve the problem, which is a political one. The left needs to fight this in massive numbers, as they fought the National Front in the 1970's, but even that isn't an isolated fight, there's a whole tranche of right-wing agendas that need to be tackled: austerity programmes, western supremacist wars on various middle eastern countries. It ain't going to happen overnight.

[Seth]

It's one big anti-Marxist tirade.

Suggest its time to arrest anyone who uses the word marxist to try to describe anyone else who doesnt call themselves that as well (There are Marxist/Socialist parties that normally have names similar to Communist or Socialist party). Going around calling everyone marxists is a very good clue to being a potential sociopath , if they are armed its probably evidence enough to put them in jail for a very long time.

I also hope the Norwegians prove the value of their culture and do NOT execute this person the Norwegian people are better than that

Unless, of course, they are Marxists but lie about it to conceal the truth, which is commonplace.

It's typical of crypto-Marxists to declare anyone who sees through their lies and calls them what they are to be enemies of the state and dangerous counterrevolutionaries who need to be locked up or liquidated because revelation of the truth about crypto-Marxists makes their plans for world domination more difficult to accomplish as most people don't like Marxism, crypto or otherwise, and will reject it when it's properly and correctly identified. Disinformation, propaganda and deliberate demonization of the enemies of crypto-Marxism is indicative of actual, dangerous sociopathic Marxists against whose predations appropriate precautions and measures must be taken by both individuals and society if individual liberty and societal freedom are to survive.

[Seth]

From his log:

Q: But doesn’t it worry you that 95% of all Europeans will openly detest you and call you a murderer and a terrorist?

A: It’s human nature to be selfish, to seek admiration, love and affection. This is why very few people will have the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strength to act selflessly on behalf of their own countrymen on their own initiative without a solid hierarchical organisation or country supporting and encouraging them. We have taken these thankless tasks upon ourselves because we possess these traits; the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strenght and we are willing to sacrifice our lives for our brothers and sisters, even though they will openly detest us. It can be illustrated like a parent spanking their ignorant child. The child will hate their parents there and then but in time they will understand that their only intention is to protect them. In phase 2 and 3, many of these brothers and sisters will hold our banner and chant our hymns because they finally understand.

And I've just learned that a friend of my little brother, who he went to school with and who grew up in my town, is probably among the dead from the shooting. I'm looking at her facebook page:

"Sosialdemokratiets oppgave er å bygge trygge og solide dansegulv, som menneskene selv kan danse sine liv oppå."

For those who don't know Noggy: "The social democracy's task is to build safe and solid dancefloors, that people can dance their lives on."

I mean, she's obviously just a young idealistic girl... And this guy thinks he'll be hailed as a pivotal character in the bettering of our country... It makes me sick.

This is just too much to bear... I feel absolutely depleted and depressed. She's from my town, Vartdal, where I grew up... home to 900-1000 people.

I'm very sorry to hear that this has touched you so very personally. There is never any excuse for killing innocents, especially children, under any circumstances.

[Eriku]

From his log:

Q: But doesn’t it worry you that 95% of all Europeans will openly detest you and call you a murderer and a terrorist?

A: It’s human nature to be selfish, to seek admiration, love and affection. This is why very few people will have the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strength to act selflessly on behalf of their own countrymen on their own initiative without a solid hierarchical organisation or country supporting and encouraging them. We have taken these thankless tasks upon ourselves because we possess these traits; the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strenght and we are willing to sacrifice our lives for our brothers and sisters, even though they will openly detest us. It can be illustrated like a parent spanking their ignorant child. The child will hate their parents there and then but in time they will understand that their only intention is to protect them. In phase 2 and 3, many of these brothers and sisters will hold our banner and chant our hymns because they finally understand.

And I've just learned that a friend of my little brother, who he went to school with and who grew up in my town, is probably among the dead from the shooting. I'm looking at her facebook page:

"Sosialdemokratiets oppgave er å bygge trygge og solide dansegulv, som menneskene selv kan danse sine liv oppå."

For those who don't know Noggy: "The social democracy's task is to build safe and solid dancefloors, that people can dance their lives on."

I mean, she's obviously just a young idealistic girl... And this guy thinks he'll be hailed as a pivotal character in the bettering of our country... It makes me sick.

This is just too much to bear... I feel absolutely depleted and depressed. She's from my town, Vartdal, where I grew up... home to 900-1000 people.

I'm very sorry to hear that this has touched you so very personally. There is never any excuse for killing innocents, especially children, under any circumstances.

Whatever our differences of opinion Seth, I appreciate the earnest remark.

[Bella Fortuna]

Today my ex and I went to pick up our son from (ironically enough) Norwegian Heritage Camp. The kids always put on a little show of the Norwegian songs and folk dances they've learned. Today as part of the program there was a moment of silence for those killed in the tragedy, after the singing of the US and Norwegian national anthems, and I started crying. Being there, at a youth camp, after this had just happened, brought it home all the more.

[Seth]

The Youtube videos are typical ignorant conspiracy theory Knights Templar rubbish. To think someone justified all of those deaths using that fucked up logic.

Why not kill Muslims following his logic?

Still there's nothing logical about this madness.

Nothing at all logical. It's insanity of Hitlerian proportions to believe that killing innocent children at summer camp will ever be seen by anyone of rational mind of any political stripe as a patriotic act or anything but barbarous evil.

At Sand Creek, in Colorado, in 1864, more than a hundred Arapaho and Cheyenne Indians, most of them women and children, were massacred in the most barbarous manner imaginable on the orders of Maj. John Chivington, who is rumored to have said in response to a soldier questioning the killing of Indian children, "Nits turn into lice." Chivington also said, "Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! ... I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians."

He too thought his actions were honorable and rational, but his name will live alongside Hitler, Amin, Hussein, bin Laden and every other genocidal maniac in eternal infamy, as will the name of this evil and heartless killer.

Wars may be fought over political ideology, but they are fought among men, on the battlefield, according to the laws of war and with honor, not among the innocent population and certainly not by stealthy assassination of children.

[Seth]

From his log:

Q: But doesn’t it worry you that 95% of all Europeans will openly detest you and call you a murderer and a terrorist?

A: It’s human nature to be selfish, to seek admiration, love and affection. This is why very few people will have the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strength to act selflessly on behalf of their own countrymen on their own initiative without a solid hierarchical organisation or country supporting and encouraging them. We have taken these thankless tasks upon ourselves because we possess these traits; the self insight, the ideological and moral confidence and strenght and we are willing to sacrifice our lives for our brothers and sisters, even though they will openly detest us. It can be illustrated like a parent spanking their ignorant child. The child will hate their parents there and then but in time they will understand that their only intention is to protect them. In phase 2 and 3, many of these brothers and sisters will hold our banner and chant our hymns because they finally understand.

And I've just learned that a friend of my little brother, who he went to school with and who grew up in my town, is probably among the dead from the shooting. I'm looking at her facebook page:

"Sosialdemokratiets oppgave er å bygge trygge og solide dansegulv, som menneskene selv kan danse sine liv oppå."

For those who don't know Noggy: "The social democracy's task is to build safe and solid dancefloors, that people can dance their lives on."

I mean, she's obviously just a young idealistic girl... And this guy thinks he'll be hailed as a pivotal character in the bettering of our country... It makes me sick.

This is just too much to bear... I feel absolutely depleted and depressed. She's from my town, Vartdal, where I grew up... home to 900-1000 people.

I'm very sorry to hear that this has touched you so very personally. There is never any excuse for killing innocents, especially children, under any circumstances.

Whatever our differences of opinion Seth, I appreciate the earnest remark.

You're welcome. I grieve for the victims, and if I was inappropriately critical of you, I apologize. I am angry nearly beyond words that such a thing could happen and it pains my heart that I was not in a position to stand and defend those children. I genuinely mean this. I've spent my entire adult life training and preparing to help and defend others and any time I see such a thing happen it hurts me, and it hurts all the more knowing that even people with the courage and willingness to stand against such evil at risk to their own lives are denied the tools necessary to prevail in such a contest. I become very, very angry at any government or any person who supports the idea that people should be victimized by their own government by being rendered defenseless and I cannot help but comment upon that aspect of the tragedy.

I know that there are many people in Norway, and elsewhere, who like me would have willingly stood in front of those children and tried to take on the killer with tooth and nail if necessary, who are as angry and devastated at this horrendous evil act as I am.

I react differently from you because our cultures are different, and because I want to believe that because of my cultural background, had I been present, things might have gone differently. This is of course wishful thinking and 20/20 hindsight, but it steels in me the resolve to train even harder and be even more conscientious about being prepared to react properly and effectively on the very remote chance that such a thing happens around me. Unfortunately, that's all I can do. But it's frustrating and demoralizing to know that I can't be everywhere, and that other people are often denied their ability to respond properly and effectively by ill-considered government policies and faceless bureaucrats. If that causes me to reply in ways that might seem insensitive, please believe me that the motive and intent is honorable and my concern and grief genuine.

[The Red Fox]

What happened in Norway is a tragedy. My heartfelt sympathies to everyone affected. How someone can be selfish and evil enough to do something like this I will never understand.

All this because the shooter was a fanatic who disagreed with the ruling political party? Politics is looking like the new religion in terms of it's ability to delude and inspire murderous psychopaths.

Knowing the Norwegians, I'm sure they'll get through this is in a rational and calm manner. I wish them all the best.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's one big anti-Marxist tirade.

Suggest its time to arrest anyone who uses the word marxist to try to describe anyone else who doesnt call themselves that as well (There are Marxist/Socialist parties that normally have names similar to Communist or Socialist party). Going around calling everyone marxists is a very good clue to being a potential sociopath , if they are armed its probably evidence enough to put them in jail for a very long time.

I also hope the Norwegians prove the value of their culture and do NOT execute this person the Norwegian people are better than that

Unless, of course, they are Marxists but lie about it to conceal the truth, which is commonplace.

It's typical of crypto-Marxists to declare anyone who sees through their lies and calls them what they are to be enemies of the state and dangerous counterrevolutionaries who need to be locked up or liquidated because revelation of the truth about crypto-Marxists makes their plans for world domination more difficult to accomplish as most people don't like Marxism, crypto or otherwise, and will reject it when it's properly and correctly identified. Disinformation, propaganda and deliberate demonization of the enemies of crypto-Marxism is indicative of actual, dangerous sociopathic Marxists against whose predations appropriate precautions and measures must be taken by both individuals and society if individual liberty and societal freedom are to survive.

We need a conspiracy theory subforum for this kind of shit.

[Azathoth]

It's one big anti-Marxist tirade.

Suggest its time to arrest anyone who uses the word marxist to try to describe anyone else who doesnt call themselves that as well (There are Marxist/Socialist parties that normally have names similar to Communist or Socialist party). Going around calling everyone marxists is a very good clue to being a potential sociopath , if they are armed its probably evidence enough to put them in jail for a very long time.

I also hope the Norwegians prove the value of their culture and do NOT execute this person the Norwegian people are better than that

Unless, of course, they are Marxists but lie about it to conceal the truth, which is commonplace.

It's typical of crypto-Marxists to declare anyone who sees through their lies and calls them what they are to be enemies of the state and dangerous counterrevolutionaries who need to be locked up or liquidated because revelation of the truth about crypto-Marxists makes their plans for world domination more difficult to accomplish as most people don't like Marxism, crypto or otherwise, and will reject it when it's properly and correctly identified. Disinformation, propaganda and deliberate demonization of the enemies of crypto-Marxism is indicative of actual, dangerous sociopathic Marxists against whose predations appropriate precautions and measures must be taken by both individuals and society if individual liberty and societal freedom are to survive.

We need a conspiracy theory subforum for this kind of shit.

I've got one. He was in the employ of Rupert Murdoch to take the media heat off News International. 20 years is ok for the right payout when he gets out