Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Tero » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:34 pm

Line was too long and my 30 dollar book qad maybe 20 % off, left store.

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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by amused » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:05 pm

I went to the Borders here when it was going out of business. The 'sale' prices were still much higher than Amazon, which is the problem for the bricks and mortar business model.

I have a Kindle now, and I'll never buy paper again if it's available in a Kindle edition. I'm building a library in the cloud at Amazon that will most likely be there indefinitely. I have the Kindle App on my Droid phone, and recently fried the SD card that had the books on it. No problem - new SD card, download the books from my cloud storage that I want to have local, and I'm back in business.

I can register up to 6 devices on my account and share my library with family, with the click of a button. Never gonna move boxes of books again...

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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Gawd » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:12 am

Call me old fashioned.

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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Gallstones » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:22 am

Gawd wrote:Call me old fashioned.
You're old fashioned.
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Gallstones » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:23 am

anna09 wrote:I order mine online at B&N. With the membership, I can get books a lot cheaper than at the store.

I also love used book stores now! :D
I check Amazon resellers for everything.
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Gallstones » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:27 am

Books, physical, real books are a sensual experience. They have aroma and tactile and proprioceptive properties that no e-book will ever emulate. I want that full sensual experience. E-books are like e-sex, OK but less than satisfying.
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by tattuchu » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:35 am

I can't read very long things online. I have to hold the book in my hands. But I never go to a book store. Fuck that. Why bother? Why go to the trouble to drive to the store when you can get anything you want, anything at all, on amazon? It's cheaper, shipping is free, and it's delivered right to your door :dunno:
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Post by hadespussercats » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:42 am

Gallstones wrote:Books, physical, real books are a sensual experience. They have aroma and tactile and proprioceptive properties that no e-book will ever emulate. I want that full sensual experience. E-books are like e-sex, OK but less than satisfying.
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Post by Thinking Aloud » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:35 am

amused wrote:I'm building a library in the cloud at Amazon that will most likely be there indefinitely.
This is what I can't put my trust in. I just don't believe it will be there indefinitely. Amazon is just a company, and if it (or any of the other providers of online storage) goes out of business, the respective cloud evaporates.

I used to have a photo album online with a very popular (UK) photo hosting service. They had millions of images online - a couple of months ago they just stopped. No reason given other than "problems", and that they were "looking for ways to resume the service". Millions and millions of photos, hundreds of thousands of users, a superb resource that I used daily for archive information ... immediately and irreversably gone.

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Post by mistermack » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:37 am

laklak wrote:Bill Gates said, at a conference many years ago, that in the future computers would be your TV, your bookstore, your recipe box, your writing desk, etc. He was right. I love wandering around in the bookstore, but since I bought my Kindle I haven't been once. It's so much easier to browse through Amazon and click "download". There's the book, in 90 seconds. It's astonishingly convenient, unfortunately that convenience comes with a price. Digital media is changing everything. I never watch real-time TV anymore, I just dump it to DVR and watch it later, skipping past the commercials. This is going to radically change commercial TV, once a significant percentage of the population is doing it. Why advertise on TV if your audience is going to fast forward past your expensive advertisement?
I think it's all for the good. Books aren't about bookshops or bits of paper, they are about authors and readers. Anything that makes the connection easier and cheaper is good.
And commercial tv was always crap. In the uk, the best tv is the bbc, basically pay for view.
We pay for the commercials anyway, in the price of the products. If advertising on tv dies, you will pay up front, but don't have to watch the shitty commercials any more, and pay a bit less for your soap powder.
It's better.
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by JimC » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:48 am

Thinking Aloud wrote:
amused wrote:I'm building a library in the cloud at Amazon that will most likely be there indefinitely.
This is what I can't put my trust in. I just don't believe it will be there indefinitely. Amazon is just a company, and if it (or any of the other providers of online storage) goes out of business, the respective cloud evaporates.

I used to have a photo album online with a very popular (UK) photo hosting service. They had millions of images online - a couple of months ago they just stopped. No reason given other than "problems", and that they were "looking for ways to resume the service". Millions and millions of photos, hundreds of thousands of users, a superb resource that I used daily for archive information ... immediately and irreversably gone.

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One could use the cloud for convenient access anywhere, anytime, but do periodic backups to burnable media...
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Robert_S » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:51 am

hadespussercats wrote:
Gallstones wrote:Books, physical, real books are a sensual experience. They have aroma and tactile and proprioceptive properties that no e-book will ever emulate. I want that full sensual experience. E-books are like e-sex, OK but less than satisfying.
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I want to note that my local Borders along with the locally owned (now defunct) Pages for all Ages both had better coffee than the Barnes & Noble Starbucks dreck, but the snack selection was horrid. Also, the Borders slowly got more spacious and the isles got wider with shorter shelves as the selection started to go downhill. It probably looked nice to some high priced interior designer though.

Give me a used book store with books packed in every little nook and cranny any day,
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Svartalf » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:56 am

hadespussercats wrote:
Thinking Aloud wrote:
Gallstones wrote:Books have a physical existence that digital media does not.
When the power goes off for good, everything digital will be gone.
I often wonder how future archaeologists and historians will document this period. We're entering an era of no paper records; nothing readable without a particular type of machine; nothing tangible left behind except the structures we build. No books, no documents, no photographs... What will be our "dead sea scrolls"? We're entering a dark age of documentation, because it's all utterly ephemeral. Remember RDF and how important it was to how many people? If all that social vibrancy that was important to so many people can vanish so utterly and so quickly, think about the rest of it...
Maybe we'll develop new archaeological tools, that can read the detritus of old computers like a palimpsest.
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:10 pm

Robert_S wrote:Give me a used book store with books packed in every little nook and cranny any day,
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Re: Borders Bookstore Bites the Dust

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:12 pm

Regarding book stores, I am co-owner of the largest "WWII specialty" book store on the Internet. Though "Library" may be a better term now that I think of it. We sure don't make a damn dime off it.
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