Dawkins: At War With The Feminists?

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PTSD.

And?

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I chalk it up to an interesting intersection between various movements which are all generally progressive. I thought Dawkin's analogy was harsh which made me feel like he wasn't really considering his audience when he said it. The fact that Western women don't have third world levels of oppression doesn't mean that those women aren't forced to learn to cope with systemic levels of oppression on some level.

When I saw the atheist kerflufle between what's-her-face, the-other-lady, and Dawkins, I thought of Schrodinger's Rapist immediately. Dudes who don't realize what position a woman might be in do not have the game they think they have. The corollary, is realizing a woman's point of view isn't an in. I still have to be easy being blown off because you know what, I've seen women comfortable and I've seen them uncomfortable and I've decided it's their call how they want to feel about it. That's not a war I can win without their consent which if uncomfortable, the woman hasn't given. The right to feel uncomfortable strikes me as pretty basic. I don't think we really have a better tool in our toolkit than to wait until later and review the situation to find out how reasonable we think it is.

Excellent points camoguard!

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PTSD.

And?

That is a whole other topic.

Things were going well there for a moment. I want to get back to that.

[Gallstones]

Stop invalidating my feelings.

Tell me what they are and I will see if I can do that.

You're making me uncomfortable.

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I can make you comfortable again if you talk to me.
I can be very nice.

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I chalk it up to an interesting intersection between various movements which are all generally progressive. I thought Dawkin's analogy was harsh which made me feel like he wasn't really considering his audience when he said it. The fact that Western women don't have third world levels of oppression doesn't mean that those women aren't forced to learn to cope with systemic levels of oppression on some level.

And, his point was that even though women in the West have to face some systemic issues, that doesn't make Elevator Guy's request for early morning coffee any less of a big nothing.

When I saw the atheist kerflufle between what's-her-face, the-other-lady, and Dawkins, I thought of Schrodinger's Rapist immediately. Dudes who don't realize what position a woman might be in do not have the game they think they have. The corollary, is realizing a woman's point of view isn't an in. I still have to be easy being blown off because you know what, I've seen women comfortable and I've seen them uncomfortable and I've decided it's their call how they want to feel about it. That's not a war I can win without their consent which if uncomfortable, the woman hasn't given. The right to feel uncomfortable strikes me as pretty basic. I don't think we really have a better tool in our toolkit than to wait until later and review the situation to find out how reasonable we think it is.

Sure, everyone has the right to feel any way they want to. However, some men feel "uncomfortable" around women if the women aren't dressed modestly enough. They have the "right" to feel that way, and yet women have the right to go about their business as they see fit because they haven't done anything wrong. Certainly, if a woman shows up at a funeral wearing a red bikini, one might find that to be "inappropriate" and "don't do that" but one would not think it anything more than that - like it wouldn't be some larger statement on society.

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Stop invalidating my feelings.

Tell me what they are and I will see if I can do that.

You're making me uncomfortable.

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I can make you comfortable again if you talk to me.
I can be very nice.

Stop sexually objectifying me. I know you just want me for my anaconda-like member. I am not a mere plaything for you to act out your demented fantasies.

....oh, wait...strike that.... yes....yes, I am....

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PTSD.

And?

That is a whole other topic.

Things were going well there for a moment. I want to get back to that.

To what, exactly?

[Gallstones]

PTSD.

And?

That is a whole other topic.

Things were going well there for a moment. I want to get back to that.

To what, exactly?

OK now things are getting syncopated. I prefer a smoother rhythm.
I'm going back to that.

But don't mind me, you stay right where you are.
Catch you when you catch back up I guess.

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I will wait for a clear statement of something you are arguing or asserting in some understandable logical form: Like - premises, conclusions, and inferences. When you're ready to do that, I'll be here.

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I will wait for a clear statement of something you are arguing or asserting in some understandable logical form: Like - premises, conclusions, and inferences. When you're ready to do that, I'll be here.

However, before you go, did you go back and read my post and find out that you erred in interpreting what I said about the video and watching the video?

This is but a tiny little question, surely you can oblige?

An acknowledgment is all I want.

If you please.

Thanks.

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Did you miss the part about not being arsed?

I don't care what you said about watching the video. I thought you said you hadn't watched it all. Doesn't matter though, because it wasn't a "straw man" (unless you're using some strange definition of "straw man").

I am not going back to read your posts. If you have a point, make it, and do try to be coherent.

That's all I want.

If you please.

Thanks.

[Gallstones]

Did you miss the part about not being arsed?

What's all this then?

I don't care what you said about watching the video. I thought you said you hadn't watched it all. Doesn't matter though, because it wasn't a "straw man" (unless you're using some strange definition of "straw man").

I am not going back to read your posts. If you have a point, make it, and do try to be coherent.

That's all I want.

If you please.

Thanks.

You know what they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I notice you like my formatting.

I have to go out. So if you are still not being arsed, I'll read about it when I get back.

I promise to have a point at that point in time.
You know this means I might have to go back and watch that fucker again?

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Instructions for Elevator Guy -

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What actually happened in that elevator:

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