Dawkins: At War With The Feminists?

[stripes4]

Women don't fear sex, or being approached. They fear the element that exists, that would take it to the next level, if refused. Having a good fuck is fantastic, if it's consentual, or even playing at not being consentual, but this isn't about sex, it's about feeling unsure of a situation and it's consequences. Dick wads.

[charlou]

No violence, no rape threat, no sexual assault, no need for legal recourse, no emotional trauma, no disrespect, no nastiness, no objectifying. Nothing.

I think its the objectifying bit that people are complaining about but I'm not exactly sure what is meant be it.

People have multiple parts of their nature and sexual object is one of them. There are times when only some should be relevant, when my boss asks me to do something at work he isnt doing it as a friend or someone who needs one, he isn't doing it because I'm a forum warrior he's doing it because I know something about email systems.

I'm quite sure there are times when people want sex with someone else and arent particuarly interested in whether they are high level philosophers but quite simply because they have tits, so what!

Good point.

I "objectify" Mrs Dev when we have sex and she "objectifies" me. I like to give her a good fucking and she likes to get it. None of that "making love" romantic sanitised shit.

Fucking

[devogue]

No violence, no rape threat, no sexual assault, no need for legal recourse, no emotional trauma, no disrespect, no nastiness, no objectifying. Nothing.

I think its the objectifying bit that people are complaining about but I'm not exactly sure what is meant be it.

People have multiple parts of their nature and sexual object is one of them. There are times when only some should be relevant, when my boss asks me to do something at work he isnt doing it as a friend or someone who needs one, he isn't doing it because I'm a forum warrior he's doing it because I know something about email systems.

I'm quite sure there are times when people want sex with someone else and arent particuarly interested in whether they are high level philosophers but quite simply because they have tits, so what!

Good point.

I "objectify" Mrs Dev when we have sex and she "objectifies" me. I like to give her a good fucking and she likes to get it. None of that "making love" romantic sanitised shit.

Fucking

You're not supposed to get horny!

[charlou]

No violence, no rape threat, no sexual assault, no need for legal recourse, no emotional trauma, no disrespect, no nastiness, no objectifying. Nothing.

I think its the objectifying bit that people are complaining about but I'm not exactly sure what is meant be it.

People have multiple parts of their nature and sexual object is one of them. There are times when only some should be relevant, when my boss asks me to do something at work he isnt doing it as a friend or someone who needs one, he isn't doing it because I'm a forum warrior he's doing it because I know something about email systems.

I'm quite sure there are times when people want sex with someone else and arent particuarly interested in whether they are high level philosophers but quite simply because they have tits, so what!

Good point.

I "objectify" Mrs Dev when we have sex and she "objectifies" me. I like to give her a good fucking and she likes to get it. None of that "making love" romantic sanitised shit.

Fucking

You're not supposed to get horny!

You're the one being so damned erotic.

[Geoff]

You're the one being so damned erotic.

Stop objectifying him!

[devogue]

You're the one being so damned erotic.

Stop objectifying him!

[mistermack]

Women don't fear sex, or being approached. They fear the element that exists, that would take it to the next level, if refused. Having a good fuck is fantastic, if it's consentual, or even playing at not being consentual, but this isn't about sex, it's about feeling unsure of a situation and it's consequences. Dick wads.

So life isn't perfect. Not everybody behaves in a way that's perfect for everybody else.
You have to get used to things that are less than perfect. I don't detect any mention of the woman feeling threatened, just a bit insulted.
Well, that's part of life, and men suffer from it just as much as women.
Rejection can be humiliating for men, just as being propositioned can be for a woman.
It sounds like this guy was polite, so he's not a complete asshole.
He got rejected, so maybe his feelings were bruised too.

I hope the precious flower thinks back on this when she's older, and probably wishes somebody WAS actually interested.

[Santa_Claus]

Methinks she ain't ever met Santa in a lift at 4am - or on a Bus Sexism? she would be wiping that off her tits

[stripes4]

Women don't fear sex, or being approached. They fear the element that exists, that would take it to the next level, if refused. Having a good fuck is fantastic, if it's consentual, or even playing at not being consentual, but this isn't about sex, it's about feeling unsure of a situation and it's consequences. Dick wads.

So life isn't perfect. Not everybody behaves in a way that's perfect for everybody else.
You have to get used to things that are less than perfect. I don't detect any mention of the woman feeling threatened, just a bit insulted.
Well, that's part of life, and men suffer from it just as much as women.
Rejection can be humiliating for men, just as being propositioned can be for a woman.
It sounds like this guy was polite, so he's not a complete asshole.
He got rejected, so maybe his feelings were bruised too.

I hope the precious flower thinks back on this when she's older, and probably wishes somebody WAS actually interested.

Yes, and if we get raped we should be grateful someone got hard enough to do it!!!

[Pappa]

As nobody knows exactly how this guy went about asking her for coffee (tone of voice, etc.) then I don't think it's possible to say either way if it was acceptable or not. Depending on the delivery and demeanour it could range from perfectly fine and acceptable to grossly unacceptable.

[stripes4]

As nobody knows exactly how this guy went about asking her for coffee (tone of voice, etc.) then I don't think it's possible to say either way if it was acceptable or not. Depending on the delivery and demeanour it could range from perfectly fine and acceptable to grossly unacceptable.

That's what I was trying to say!!!

[mistermack]

Yes, and if we get raped we should be grateful someone got hard enough to do it!!!

Well, actually, when I got raped, I WAS grateful that someone got me hard enough to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pappa]

As nobody knows exactly how this guy went about asking her for coffee (tone of voice, etc.) then I don't think it's possible to say either way if it was acceptable or not. Depending on the delivery and demeanour it could range from perfectly fine and acceptable to grossly unacceptable.

That's what I was trying to say!!!

I've totally skim read this thread.

[Nicko]

This guy just has terrible technique.

Meeting a chick in an elevator at the end of the night is not the last chance to pick up for the night. It is the first chance to pick up for the next day. What's wrong with offering to buy someone breakfast?

Non-threatening, easy-going. Says, "I want to get to know you." rather than, "I see you struck out as well. Wanna fuck?"

[mistermack]

This guy just has terrible technique.

Meeting a chick in an elevator at the end of the night is not the last chance to pick up for the night. It is the first chance to pick up for the next day. What's wrong with offering to buy someone breakfast?

Non-threatening, easy-going. Says, "I want to get to know you." rather than, "I see you struck out as well. Wanna fuck?"

That's probably what upset her. He was in effect saying " I don't find you attractive enough to ask out on a date, but I wouldn't mind a quick fuck".

That's why she really felt insulted, she wasn't valued as highly as she felt she should have been.
That sort of thing isn't restricted to man-on-woman, women do the same thing to men.
Like cancelling a date with : "I can't go out with you tonight, because John has asked me out. But I'll give you a ring, if he changes his mind."