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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Feck » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:49 am

Mantisdreamz wrote:I'm wondering if Feck has staged his vote DP vote.

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I always vote DP on day one he 's scummy and he hides !
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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by oblivion » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:49 am

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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Feck » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:52 am

Well of all the lame ass reasons for voting me My Day one DP vote has to be the lamest . Fos on Mantis for dropping an easy vote . It's nearly 6am I'm going to bed .
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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Uselesstwit » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:59 am

yes feck, but you like playing with people when you're scum. And it's not like we have a ton of posts of yours to go on. It also always looks bad when you don't say anything until someone pressures you.
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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Mantisdreamz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:02 am

it's just because i often get the feeling you are town when you are town (going to have future egg on my face for this comment), but i wasn't getting that from your several posts

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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by charlou » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:05 am

irretating wrote:
Zigmen wrote:The Following quotes are taken from two separate posts made by Irre. The order is correct, though some time elapsed between these comments:
irretating wrote: zigmen's line of questioning to Linus gets Linus talking about NK versus odds of early lynch and who will be around at endgame, then tries to twist it and drops a vote on Linus, then later shores up his vote - perhaps he is aware that the interest on Linus is dropping off and he wants to appear consistent. Major FoS on this.

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I know zigmen trolley tracks. But it was his questioning that induced the talk of endgame. His most recent post, where he is careful to point out precisely why he is voting linus, just strikes me as shoring up.
Irre, explain exactly how my line of questioning "gets Linus talking about the endgame."

Read his posts and my posts very carefully.

Then, think about the allegation you have made.

Also, my "reputation" as a "Trolley Tracker" is an utter fabrication. Conversely, I also have the "reputation" as wildly tossing around FoSes on all of the players in a game. These two reputations are mutually exclusive, yet I seem to have both. I'm glad you picked the one that is easiest to disprove.

Rhetorical question: Why are you using such inductive logic and trying to back it up with false rumors? Trying to get rid of me?
Meh, say what you like. I read the thread this morning when I woke up and my take was that Linus was not being scummy in having a reason for his mayor choice and a seer suggestion. My take was that your line of questioning took the conversation to endgame discussion. And I agree with Linus that early lynches are nigh impossible to predict, so cannot and would not be factored in. Thus, I find your case for your vote on Linus to be very flimsy. Your later post, taking pains to point out the precise reason for your vote, strikes me as shoring up.

I'm the only one with a vote on you, so what are you worried about particularly?
Not sure if you mean that Zigmen's line of questioning took the conversation to endgame discussion deliberately? If so, that wasn't my impression at all. Zigmen's questions were focused on what pinged about Linus's concern: his specifying NK ... I don't find that unreasonable

Here are the posts in question (note who actually turns the discussion to endgame) : http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 77#p907077
Zigmen wrote:
Linus wrote:
Zigmen wrote:
Linus wrote:
irretating wrote:Why iclad?
iclad claimed to have played 2 games before in the sign-up thread, so probably won't be NKed early.
Probably won't be NKed early?

What about lynched early?

Why did you point out the NK style specifically and not just say "get killed early?"
It's very hard to know at the start of the game who is likely to get lynched early. Who do you think, based on all the info available to you right now, is most likely to survive to endgame?
What makes you think that noobs don't get NKed early, yet it's hard to know if they will get lynched early?

And, in answer to your question, I think noobs get a pass from being lynched for a day or two in general. As far as end game, anything can happen.

But, your statement and my subsequent question are directed at the actions of the early game, and not endgame, so I don't really see the connection you're trying to make.

What are you trying to turn a discussion of the earl;y game into a discussion of the endgame?
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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by charlou » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:15 am

Uselesstwit wrote:that post of irre's did make a lot of sense to me. I don't agree on the zigmen idea, he just looks like zigmen so far to me. The thing that has me worried is that I haven't seen irre do a post like that in a while and it used to be a signal of her scum game.
I remember calling her on an early game list that came off as contrivng to look townish and helpful .. she flipped scum that game. Her post this game reads like genuine attentive analysis, although I've since noted that I think she's mistaken about the Zigmen/Linus exchange.
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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by oblivion » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:17 am

##vote divagreen##

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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Mantisdreamz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:18 am

charlou wrote:
Uselesstwit wrote:that post of irre's did make a lot of sense to me. I don't agree on the zigmen idea, he just looks like zigmen so far to me. The thing that has me worried is that I haven't seen irre do a post like that in a while and it used to be a signal of her scum game.
I remember calling her on an early game list that came off as contrivng to look townish and helpful .. she flipped scum that game. Her post this game reads like genuine attentive analysis, although I've since noted that I think she's mistaken about the Zigmen/Linus exchange.
Yes this Irre analysis looks much different from a few I have seen

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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Uselesstwit » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:26 am

Mantisdreamz wrote:
charlou wrote:
Uselesstwit wrote:that post of irre's did make a lot of sense to me. I don't agree on the zigmen idea, he just looks like zigmen so far to me. The thing that has me worried is that I haven't seen irre do a post like that in a while and it used to be a signal of her scum game.
I remember calling her on an early game list that came off as contrivng to look townish and helpful .. she flipped scum that game. Her post this game reads like genuine attentive analysis, although I've since noted that I think she's mistaken about the Zigmen/Linus exchange.
Yes this Irre analysis looks much different from a few I have seen
agreed, it looks townish, so she's probably paying a lot more attention to what goes into it than she did those games I remember. It's just something of a concern.
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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by charlou » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:34 am

Mantisdreamz wrote:it's just because i often get the feeling you are town when you are town (going to have future egg on my face for this comment), but i wasn't getting that from your several posts
I was thinking similarly ... Town Feck usually wants to know more about flavour ...

This however looks like town Feck flail:
Feck wrote:Well of all the lame ass reasons for voting me My Day one DP vote has to be the lamest . Fos on Mantis for dropping an easy vote . It's nearly 6am I'm going to bed .
Could be scum hamming it up, but that's not really his style when scum, ime.

Ironically, there might be good reason to vote DP .. ie DP's not contributing much so far, but that's DP's style too. I read back through his posts and he has made a couple of sound observations along with a couple of vague pings. Nothing I find off in that, so I'm wondering why, if the vote was just banter, Feck left his vote there before hitting the hay.
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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by irretating » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:39 am

charlou wrote:Not sure if you mean that Zigmen's line of questioning took the conversation to endgame discussion deliberately? If so, that wasn't my impression at all. Zigmen's questions were focused on what pinged about Linus's concern: his specifying NK ... I don't find that unreasonable

Yes well that's what mystifies me about zigmen getting narky. He is good as scum but I don't think he orchestrated some massive entrapment of Linus. I just think Linus' responses were reasonable.

I'm reassessing zigmen on the basis that I'm the only one who saw his interaction with linus as scummy. I didn't rip his character apart so I'm puzzled as to why he's reacting the way he is.

Hmm interesting vote, oblivion. Diva pinged me hard, and has perhaps decided (like I did as scum last game) to be scarce to avoid being under the spotlight. Out of a BW on diva or b.tern I think the diva one looks better.

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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Mantisdreamz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:40 am

Zigmen wrote:
charlou wrote:As I've said before, more than once, I agree that the whole voting mayor in order to view thing is shite .. The mayor has extra voting power, so that's what the mayor should be voted in on. A seer can and will view whoever they consider needs viewing.
And, as I've said more than once, if the Seer ends up NKed early in a game, everyone assumes the the Mayor is cleared, which is good for Town. Town needs to clear players.

Except for players like you who botch this up.
^^^^

this could just be tiredness or silliness on my part -- but, this caught my eye (my bold). Everyone else has said things like "if a seer were to view" etc... but Zig is the first to say "the Seer"... the?? As if maybe he has knowledge that since there's a don there should be a seer. maybe paranoia

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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by irretating » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:45 am

^ I didn't see anything much in that, other than the first indication that perhaps zigmen is in a bad mood :P

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Re: The Innsmouth Look Day 1

Post by Uselesstwit » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:46 am

that's a stretch mantis, i'm not sure when the last time we didn't have a seer was. also he seems to be talking hypothetical so I'm not sure it even relates to the current game.
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