The British Media - By Pat Condell

[Coito ergo sum]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4YMbsEm ... ture=feedu[/youtube] Bunch of multi-culti middle class left wing pricks!

[The Red Fox]

I'm amazed Pat Condell is still alive. I would've thought having so much bile in your system would be lethal.

[Audley Strange]

What a fucking moron. The Nazis were not right wing, they were fucking bananas. Nor was the The BBC was never an impartial organisation, was never meant to be an impartial organisation. It has always existed to perpetuate the status quo. Yet another Condell whine about the universe not adhering to his demands.

May his paranoid worries become a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Coito ergo sum]

So...you agree with him about the BBC, but you just think it's too obvious for him to complain about? How is it paranoid, when he's right?

[sandinista]

What a fucking moron.

about sums it up. Goes on and on about the wrong definition of far right and then has the nerve to call the BBC "left wing"

[Audley Strange]

So...you agree with him about the BBC, but you just think it's too obvious for him to complain about? How is it paranoid, when he's right?

A) Yes.

B) I was speaking more of his paranoia regarding Islam, Europe and whatever else the reactionary arse is frightened of this week.

[Coito ergo sum]

So...you agree with him about the BBC, but you just think it's too obvious for him to complain about? How is it paranoid, when he's right?

A) Yes.

B) I was speaking more of his paranoia regarding Islam, Europe and whatever else the reactionary arse is frightened of this week.

What, specifically, did he say about Islam that was not true?

[Audley Strange]

"The Islamic fanatics who are such a nuisance in the west wouldn't be half the problem they are without the complicity of the multi-culty metropolitan Middle Class left." I'd say was untrue, just for starters. I cannot be arsed going through all his tedious videos for further points but I have seen enough them to know that he is just a petty frightened little man who sees any negative story about Muslims or European rulings to get on line and spout his alarmist bullshit.

In short, the perfect Daily Mail reader.

[Coito ergo sum]

That's not paranoia regarding Islam. If anything, that's paranoia about the multi-culti dicks, or whatever he called them.

You don't have to go through "all his tedious videos." It's just this video that you said was paranoia regarding Islam. So far, you haven't taken issue with what he said about Islam in this video.

He hasn't said anything about Islam that Sam Harris hasn't also said. Dawkins and Harris both say that various moderate forces in the world "provide cover" for the extremists, and I've heard Sam Harris state unequivocally that the liberal left also provides such cover. And, I've heard Hitchens suggest that the multi-culti left "carries water" for extremist Muslims.

Perhaps it's Condell's tone of voice that bothers you more than the substance of what he said?

[The Red Fox]

So...you agree with him about the BBC, but you just think it's too obvious for him to complain about?

The problem with Condell's adorable rant is that he suggests the BBC no longer represents the views it used to (white British imperialism) and is therefore a biased organisation. It's the same complaint everyone makes about the BBC on all sides of the political spectrum. Depending on where you stand they're either "left-wing multi-culti middle class pricks" (as Condell so ineloquently put it), or the darling of the establishment propping up the status quo, and a mouthpiece of right-wing capitalism. In other words, the BBC was only ever impartial when he agreed with it. That's not how impartiality works and Condell sorely needs to learn that lesson.

Instead of a nuanced critique of probable biases in BBC reporting, which in itself tends to be fairly accurate on most issues which aren't politically sensitive such as drugs, Condell just launches into a tirade of a perceived take-over of a once fine bastion of British supremacy by those awful humus eating lefties. I can almost guarantee that Condell is on the BBC almost daily looking for news and complaining about the articles. The now defunct Have Your Say section was mostly filled with people exactly like him complaining about the very organisation giving them their bloody news! Hypocrites.

[Coito ergo sum]

So...you agree with him about the BBC, but you just think it's too obvious for him to complain about?

The problem with Condell's adorable rant is that he suggests the BBC no longer represents the views it used to (white British imperialism) and is therefore a biased organisation. It's the same complaint everyone makes about the BBC on all sides of the political spectrum. Depending on where you stand they're either "left-wing multi-culti middle class pricks" (as Condell so ineloquently put it), or the darling of the establishment propping up the status quo, and a mouthpiece of right-wing capitalism. In other words, the BBC was only ever impartial when he agreed with it. That's not how impartiality works and Condell sorely needs to learn that lesson.

Instead of a nuanced critique of probable biases in BBC reporting, which in itself tends to be fairly accurate on most issues which aren't politically sensitive such as drugs, Condell just launches into a tirade of a perceived take-over of a once fine bastion of British supremacy by those awful humus eating lefties. I can almost guarantee that Condell is on the BBC almost daily looking for news and complaining about the articles. The now defunct Have Your Say section was mostly filled with people exactly like him complaining about the very organisation giving them their bloody news! Hypocrites.

Just out of curiosity, who has accused the BBC in the last 25 years of being a mouthpiece of right-wing capitalism?

[sandinista]

He hasn't said anything about Islam that Sam Harris hasn't also said.

I've heard Sam Harris state unequivocally that the liberal left also provides such cover.

I've heard Hitchens suggest that the multi-culti left "carries water" for extremist Muslims.

well, there's problem number 1, listening to Harris and Hitch in regards to anything at all political. Sam Harris

[Robert_S]

I am nervous about a tendency to cut Muslims and Islam too much slack just because most of them are an ethnic minority in Europe and it's someone else's religion/culture, and I know the tendency is stronger among the Liberal/Leftist types. I used to be the same up until I hit the breaking point upon th death of Theo Van Gogh. It does no favors for those people who happen to be Muslims.

But where does this tendency come from? In my case, much of it was down to hearing many hateful and bigoted assholes target Islam, not because specific parts of the religion are dangerous to free speech, gender equality, sexual orientation equality, tolerance in general, ect; but because it happens to be the religion of them "ragheads" and "sandniggers".

Pat is sounding more hateful as the years go on, at least in the videos that I see posted here he is. More and more I get the feeling he's trying to appeal to my capacity for fear and hate more than for reason.

[Coito ergo sum]

He hasn't said anything about Islam that Sam Harris hasn't also said.

I've heard Sam Harris state unequivocally that the liberal left also provides such cover.

I've heard Hitchens suggest that the multi-culti left "carries water" for extremist Muslims.

well, there's problem number 1, listening to Harris and Hitch in regards to anything at all political. Sam Harris

Gotcha - they too are "reactionary" and paranoid morons...got it.

[Coito ergo sum]

I am nervous about a tendency to cut Muslims and Islam too much slack just because most of them are an ethnic minority in Europe and it's someone else's religion/culture, and I know the tendency is stronger among the Liberal/Leftist types. I used to be the same up until I hit the breaking point upon th death of Theo Van Gogh. It does no favors for those people who happen to be Muslims.

But where does this tendency come from? In my case, much of it was down to hearing many hateful and bigoted assholes target Islam, not because specific parts of the religion are dangerous to free speech, gender equality, sexual orientation equality, tolerance in general, ect; but because it happens to be the religion of them "ragheads" and "sandniggers".

That doesn't appear to be why Condell doesn't like Islam.

Cultures need to change from time to time. It was once a very different culture here in the US in the workplace - we had a culture that didn't think much of sex discrimination and sex harassment, etc. All that was "cultural" at the time - however, the culture had to change to meet legal requirements. The same ought to be said for Islam. Honor killings, misogyny, racism, and the like ought not be pardoned because it's part of Muslim culture. They're wrong.

Pat is sounding more hateful as the years go on, at least in the videos that I see posted here he is. More and more I get the feeling he's trying to appeal to my capacity for fear and hate more than for reason.

The only ones using the word fear are those who are afraid. Once can be revolted by Islam without fearing it.

When the multi-culti left cuts down Christianity and smear any Christian icons they like, it's not considered to be out of "fear" is it? Why then is cutting down Islam always referred to as "fear" of Islam or Muslims? Frankly, it shows decidedly LESS fear to stand up to Muslim extremists than those who would govern their (and everyone else's) tongues to avoid "insulting" Islam. It's the latter - the multi-culti pricks - who are in "fear" of Muslims - they are the ones that are afraid to publish the Mohamet cartoons, and they are the ones who pull things that are "offensive" to Muslims off of bookstore shelves - because they are afraid of the reaction from Muslims.

Condell is not afraid. He clearly can be found if someone wants to find him, and I'm quite sure he makes these videos in the face of death threats. I am sure he is not "in fear" of these folks. He is standing up to them - either without or in spite of any reticence he may have.