British nationalism

[mistermack]

The middle class are big enough to drive house prices up. They've risen over 100% since the mid 90s, long before the polaks came here taking minimum wage jobs. You honestly think most immigrants will ever own a match box house here? I'm a second generation brit. The only hope of me ever owning property is if I move abroad. To quote the yanks: go figure.

Maybe right now that's true. But just a few short years ago they were throwing mortgages at anybody who was still warm, because the house prices were rising so fast, they were in positive equity in no time at all.
Now it's harder, and less attractive. But most immigrants still live in houses. If they don't buy, they rent, and this still keep the prices up, as renting keeps houses off the market, and you can still buy one and make money renting it out.

It's supply and demand. Slightly more demand than supply means prices rise.
And vice-versa.
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[MrJonno]

Biggest reason for house prices that are out of control is quite simply middle class greed and the greenbelt. Middle class people who already have houses don't want other people building them as that will reduce the price of their own, there is plenty of green belt space to build on and we simply don't have the luxury of putting fields ahead of people

[JimC]

Biggest reason for house prices that are out of control is quite simply middle class greed and the greenbelt. Middle class people who already have houses don't want other people building them as that will reduce the price of their own, there is plenty of green belt space to build on and we simply don't have the luxury of putting fields ahead of people

Build underground, and make the whole morlocks thing come true!

[mistermack]

Biggest reason for house prices that are out of control is quite simply middle class greed and the greenbelt. Middle class people who already have houses don't want other people building them as that will reduce the price of their own, there is plenty of green belt space to build on and we simply don't have the luxury of putting fields ahead of people

Greed yes, but also fear. With rapidly rising house prices, people get scared that if they don't dive in as soon as possible, they will never be able to afford to buy.
The government has always had all the tools necessary to keep house prices stable, but they have ALL ignored that, and encouraged rising prices.

It's convenient for the government. People borrowing more means growth, and they take the credit at election time, even though it's just borrowed growth.

The people who are really to blame are the journalists, for not pointing it out, and the public, for being so fucking gullible.

People far less clever than the various chancellors have been pointing out for years that the borrowing bubble can't go on, and was going to hurt when it burst. If dumb fuckers like me knew it, how come the experts didn't ?
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[Audley Strange]

@mistermack. I admire your faith in the intelligence of our politicians. Did it ever occur to you that they were the dumb fuckers and not you?

[Tyrannical]

At least the BNP is interested in unity between the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish.

[Feck]

At least the BNP is interested in unity between the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish.

No thank you I'll stay in Scotland and recently the less Westminster has to do with Scotland the better I will not have my English/British nationality hijacked by right- wing thugs in suits with the mentality of soccer casuals . We have a better Legal system and Healthcare system up in Scotland I'd like it to stay that way .
Praising the BNP for their 'inclusive' attitude , that's amusing . The DNA spiral on the leaflet you posted not only is a subtle reminder of what the BMP stand for but also a stupid abuse of science ... at what date would the BNP like to set this genetic idea of British ? mitochondrial DNA shows just what a mongrel 'race' we are .

Still at least that leaflet didn't have Spitfires and Churchill on the front and any other spurious Rah RAH ENGLAND ! Bullshit !

The BMP an embarrasment to Britain

[Atheist-Lite]

Their gonna have problems sending the Vikings back?

[Feck]

Their gonna have problems sending the Vikings back?

Or charging the Norman French for war crimes and sending them home !

[Pappa]

Their gonna have problems sending the Vikings back?

Or charging the Norman French for war crimes and sending them home !

And the Anglo-Saxons too.

[HomerJay]

At least the BNP is interested in unity between the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish.

In a white supremacist kinda way.

[Feck]

At least the BNP is interested in unity between the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish.

In a white supremacist kinda way.

That's not true they hate the Polish too ,although they might make exception for the Polish pilots of Spitfires and Hurricanes that fought in 'THE War'

[Cormac]

At least the BNP is interested in unity between the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish.

That is one of the funniest things I've seen. The BNP seem to have a great (or non-existent) sense of irony.

It isn't yet 20 years since they and their fellow travellers came over here to the Ireland V England soccer match in the old Lansdowne Road, with intent to kick off a riot to teach us Paddies a lesson. They kicked off alright, and were baton charged.

At that time, the notion that the BNP would touch a tricolour with a barge pole was like the idea of finding Oliver North wrapped in the Soviet flag, reading Das Kapital, while masturbating with rancid soviet butter.

And since when did people who identify with the tric-colour become part of the British people. I mean, I think the world of British people, but I am not British - not culturally (although we're very close culturally), not genetically, and not geographically.

(But the leaked BNP membership list showed quite a few members in the Republic...

[Cormac]

Their gonna have problems sending the Vikings back?

Or charging the Norman French for war crimes and sending them home !

And the Anglo-Saxons too.

I'd happily give you back that evangelistic cunt - Patrick.

[Cormac]

Nationalism is excessive mostly vicarious pride in self identifying with a group defined by history and territory but being somehow special and separate from physical or temporal processes. It is a cherished but increasingly blurring childhood memory and those who identify with it become aggressive or defensive as it fades, because it is at it's essence, the fear of being part of nothing, of not being special.

Lots of people don't like to consider that thought.

It can also be a consequence of oppression, and the locus of a liberation movement. (And this is how it can unite previously antagonistic groups through creating a mutually subscribed newly unified identity).

For my two cents, nationalism is useful where a people are oppressed, and the standard "divide and conquer" technique is in full use. In that case, nationalism can be useful for creating and sustaining a liberation movement.

However, if the revolutionary leadership wants to create a stable state, they need to start weaning people off nationalism pretty quickly. (Before it sours, and becomes like the BNP). Former enemies usually live next door, and a modus vivendi must be established.