The Ships Of The Line thread!

[klr]

https://picasaweb.google.com/pingbosun/ ... EADNAUGHTS

OK. so someone couldn't spell "Dreadnought" properly, but still ...

Cool!

So, you agree that Jackie didn't have an original idea when it came to Dreadnought?

He was first to market. You snooze, you lose.

Pity about those flaky battle-cruisers though.

"Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today ..."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

https://picasaweb.google.com/pingbosun/ ... EADNAUGHTS

OK. so someone couldn't spell "Dreadnought" properly, but still ...

Cool!

So, you agree that Jackie didn't have an original idea when it came to Dreadnought?

He was first to market. You snooze, you lose.

Pity about those flaky battle-cruisers though.

"Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today ..."

"First to market", true. But with a good product?

[klr]

https://picasaweb.google.com/pingbosun/ ... EADNAUGHTS

OK. so someone couldn't spell "Dreadnought" properly, but still ...

Cool!

So, you agree that Jackie didn't have an original idea when it came to Dreadnought?

He was first to market. You snooze, you lose.

Pity about those flaky battle-cruisers though.

"Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today ..."

"First to market", true. But with a good product?

Well, it didn't have all guns on the centreline and didn't have a superfiring* layout either, so no.

*I wasn't aware of this term until relatively recently. It just seemed so obvious and natural that it didn't need defining, but I wuz wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfire

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Well, it didn't have all guns on the centreline and didn't have a superfiring* layout either, so no.

*I wasn't aware of this term until relatively recently. It just seemed so obvious and natural that it didn't need defining, but I wuz wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfire

The layout was to speed production, but it resulted in a redundant turret. The wing turrets couldn't fire straight forward without wrecking the bridge. Any broadside would have only eight guns, of course, so he added a turret without a gain in thrown metal. Obviously the only way he could get an eight gun broadside to match other projects currently building was to add the wing turrets if he wanted to speed the production by reducing the need for the "01 level" that was needed for superfiring.

[drl2]

Builder Blames Navy as Brand-New Warship Disintegrates

It's meeeeltiing...!

We might be on to something here... disposable warships.

As Bloomberg reported, the Navy has discovered "aggressive" corrosion around Independence's engines. The problem is so bad that the barely year-old ship will have to be laid up in a San Diego drydock so workers can replace whole chunks of her hull.

In contrast to the first LCS, the steel-hulled USS Freedom, Independence is made mostly of aluminum. And that's one root of the ship's ailment.

Corrosion is a $23-billion-a-year problem in the equipment-heavy U.S. military. But Independence's decay isn't a case of mere oxidation, which can usually be prevented by careful maintenance and cleaning. No, the 418-foot-long warship is basically dissolving, due to one whopper of a design flaw.

There are technical terms for this kind of disintegration. Austal USA, Independence's Alabama-based builder, calls it "galvanic corrosion." Civilian scientists know it as "electrolysis."It's what occurs when "two dissimilar metals, after being in electrical contact with one another, corrode at different rates," Austal explained in a statement.

"That suggests to me the metal is completely gone, not rusted," naval analyst Raymond Pritchett wrote of Independence's problem.

It's not clear why Austal and the Navy didn't see this coming. Austal has built hundreds of aluminum ferries for civilian customers. The Navy, for its part, has operated mixed aluminum-and-steel warships in the past.

Lots of things - major weapons, for one - have been left off the LCS in order to keep the price down. The list of deleted items includes something called a "Cathodic Protection System," which is designed to prevent electrolysis.

[Coito ergo sum]

[klr]

Linky no worky ... it appears our "corporate policy" is very strict in blocking whatever adware that site might be trying to send me.

[drl2]

Not a ship of the line, but my grandfather was on an LST during WW2. Today while digging through boxes looking for something else I found some old log books he'd given me. They're full of minutae of shipboard life - headings and engine speeds, berth #s, comings and goings of crewmen on leave, firing drills, and the fact that 2000 pounds of potatoes could be purchased for $54 in 1943. (225 gallons of milk: $48. 300 dozen eggs: $165. 215 lbs of apples: 21.50.. At today's prices grocery runs for a family of 4 can cost almost as much as feeding a ship...)

[Gawdzilla Sama]

drl2, if you ever want to get rid of those, keep me in mind, please.

[drl2]

I want to keep them around but I'm hoping to try to get some decent scans of the 5-10 pages in each book that are filled in - be happy to send you copies when I get to it if you're interested in looking over the contents.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I want to keep them around but I'm hoping to try to get some decent scans of the 5-10 pages in each book that are filled in - be happy to send you copies when I get to it if you're interested in looking over the contents.

That would be cool. You can get decent copies with a digital camera with a little practice.

[drl2]

I want to keep them around but I'm hoping to try to get some decent scans of the 5-10 pages in each book that are filled in - be happy to send you copies when I get to it if you're interested in looking over the contents.

That would be cool. You can get decent copies with a digital camera with a little practice.

Yeah - if scanning doesn't work out I'll get my wife to point her digital SLR at them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I want to keep them around but I'm hoping to try to get some decent scans of the 5-10 pages in each book that are filled in - be happy to send you copies when I get to it if you're interested in looking over the contents.

That would be cool. You can get decent copies with a digital camera with a little practice.

Yeah - if scanning doesn't work out I'll get my wife to point her digital SLR at them.

Camera's faster, has higher resolution, etc. Just sayin'.