Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

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Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:44 am

http://changingminds.org/explanations/i ... etypes.htm

Jung's Archetypes

Psychologist Carl Gustav Jung described several archetypes that are based in the observation of differing but repeating patterns of thought and action that re-appear time and again across people, countries and continents.

Jung's main archetypes are not 'types' in the way that each person may be classified as one or the other. Rather, we each have all basic archetypes within us. He listed four main forms of archetypes:

The Shadow
The Anima
The Animus
The Self

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Are these enough to explain human behaviour? :smoke:
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Re: Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by FBM » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:22 am

I doubt it's a completed set, but one way to test its inclusiveness is to try to find a behavior that can't be described by any known/proposed archetype. Let's see...for example, where would the Internet Grammar Nazi fit in? :ask:
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Post by DRSB » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:25 am

There are others, such as king, warrior, magician, lover. And still others.

I have the Red Book, very impressive and weird. Planning to sign up for a reading course at the Jung-institute nearby.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:51 am

I don't think it is harmful although there is a woo side to all this at present. It is a first step away from the brink of atomism and obsessive drug based therapies which engulfed the study of the human mind & its qualia for a quarter of a century?
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Post by DRSB » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:14 am

The guy was obviously totally nuts, but fascinating nonetheless. Great paintings and drawingns!
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:21 am

Deersbee wrote:The guy was obviously totally nuts, but fascinating nonetheless. Great paintings and drawingns!
Wasn't as far gone as Freud, the popular one. :hehe:
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Post by JimC » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:55 am

Searching for human patterns...

Better than searching for god patterns...
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Re: Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by hiyymer » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:40 pm

Crumple wrote:http://changingminds.org/explanations/i ... etypes.htm

Jung's Archetypes

Psychologist Carl Gustav Jung described several archetypes that are based in the observation of differing but repeating patterns of thought and action that re-appear time and again across people, countries and continents.

Jung's main archetypes are not 'types' in the way that each person may be classified as one or the other. Rather, we each have all basic archetypes within us. He listed four main forms of archetypes:

The Shadow
The Anima
The Animus
The Self

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Are these enough to explain human behaviour? :smoke:
What these things all seem to have in common in that they are agents, and thus don't exist except in our experience. They are the brain's way of understanding the agent-less life intentionality around it. I would guess agency can be categorized into certain patterns because similar brains tend to create similar kinds of agents. How could the categories be used to "explain" behavior at all? Not getting it.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:58 pm

Never got to actually reading Jung... anybody can recommend some basic stuff, in the proper order?
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Re: Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:18 pm

Maybe thethraputic value of Jungian Pyschology resides in the relationship betwen the analyist and the patient? And the archetypes act as placeholder for exploring the unknown? These 'patterns of the subconscious' could simply be a means to frame the quest for healing connection which is in subtle human relationship itself? Rather like a unusual book on a coffee table they provide a talking point - that can move someone towards inclusion and hold a direction of travel. :smoke:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:26 pm

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Re: Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by Mr.Samsa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:49 am

Crumple wrote:
Deersbee wrote:The guy was obviously totally nuts, but fascinating nonetheless. Great paintings and drawingns!
Wasn't as far gone as Freud, the popular one. :hehe:
Even though I agree that both were nuts, at least Freud has made some valid contributions to psychology (albeit, probably accidentally). As far as I know, everything Jung has presented has been discredited, or considered 'not even wrong'.
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Re: Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:50 am

Mr.Samsa wrote:
Crumple wrote:
Deersbee wrote:The guy was obviously totally nuts, but fascinating nonetheless. Great paintings and drawingns!
Wasn't as far gone as Freud, the popular one. :hehe:
Even though I agree that both were nuts, at least Freud has made some valid contributions to psychology (albeit, probably accidentally). As far as I know, everything Jung has presented has been discredited, or considered 'not even wrong'.
Being totally wrong is better than being half right were I come from. :science:
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Re: Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by Mr.Samsa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:07 am

Crumple wrote:Being totally wrong is better than being half right were I come from. :science:
Where's that, Bizarro World? :think:
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Re: Jungs Archetypes? Are They Enough?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:31 am

Mr.Samsa wrote:
Crumple wrote:Being totally wrong is better than being half right were I come from. :science:
Where's that, Bizarro World? :think:
The realm of absolute certainty. :spock:
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