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Post by Rob » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:51 pm

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/Ahd3gf/ww ... criminals/
A small camera fitted to the glasses can capture 400 facial images per second and send them to a central computer database storing up to 13 million faces.

The system can compare biometric data at 46,000 points on a face and will immediately signal any matches to known criminals or people wanted by police.

If there is a match a red signal will appear on a small screen connected to the glasses, alerting the police officer of the need to take further action or make an arrest.

The devices will soon be tested at football matches and concerts and police in Brazil, South America's biggest country, are already planning to use them during the next World Cup.

The camera will generally be used to scan faces in crowds up to 50 metres (164ft) away but can be adjusted, if searching for a specific target, to recognise faces as far as 12 miles away.

Military Police officials from Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, which will both host key games in the World Cup, have been given demonstrations of how the device works.

Major Leandro Pavani Agostini, of Sao Paulo's Military Police, said: "It's something discreet because you do not question the person or ask for documents. The computer does it.

"To the naked eye two people may appear identical but with 46,000 points compared, the data will not be beaten."

He said the device will be useful to police trying to monitor many different locations and events, ranging from airports and bus terminals to concerts and football matches.

"I can insert into the database a supporter who was involved in a brawl on the field and even with the old images, he can be located in the future," added the Major.

Robocop, the American film of 1987, told the story of a police officer who was killed by criminals but re-created as a cyborg with an array of weaponry and built-in zoom vision.
I've heard the term Orwellian numerable times regarding this story. I'm personally at a loss of how this compromises personal liberty.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:55 pm

In the not too long run, this kind of technology will allow constant monitoring of everything people do. Big Brother will, indeed, be watching us.

It smacks Orwellian to be under surveillance so much.

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Post by Rob » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:00 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:In the not too long run, this kind of technology will allow constant monitoring of everything people do. Big Brother will, indeed, be watching us.

It smacks Orwellian to be under surveillance so much.
How is it any different than a police scanning a crowd looking for people who have been known to cause trouble? It aids them in identifying those who are known to cause trouble. I personally don't see it any differently than police at a large event who are scanning crowds looking for troublemakers.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:12 pm

It brings us one step closer to constant surveillance. There will come a time in just a few years where entire nations can be surveilled 24-7-365. There will be no way to get out of view of the telescreen (from Orwell's 1984), and police won't wear uniforms - and the thought police can just wear these watching/listening devices and follow up on every jest, every offhand comment - everything. The thought police can be automated.

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Post by Feck » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:29 pm

Facial recognition ,linked to widespread CCTV ....... nice ....... Of course it will only be used to recognise football hooligans it will never be used along the high street in your home town or in the shops and Malls . And the Data will never be used for anything other than to stop crime will it .

When the Berlin Wall came down it was found that in the telephone exchanges were banks and banks of tape recording machines ,it turned out that every phone call was recorded . This was shown in the western media as evidence for what an evil totalitarian regime East Germany was .

How things have changed now in the 'free' west every phone call , all computers and even your location if you have a mobile phone are logged and recorded , Soon your name your address and fuck knows what other info is going to be shown under your face whenever you are on CCTV . And you cannot see how this compromises personal liberty ??????? I Guess you must be happy in the knowledge that your government loves you ,that the police are your servants and Marketing companies only collect information about us to 'help us buy the things we need ' .
I may be paranoid but I am not convinced of these assumptions , not for the country I live in and not for all those in other less 'free' and democratic countries .
The rush to remove personal rights and freedoms this country has undertaken during my lifetime and it's accelerating pace in the fight against terrorism , paedophilia ,organised crime ,antisocial behaviour ,gun crime (or whatever evocative fight we are giving up our freedom for this week) scares the shit out out of me .
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Post by GrahamH » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:46 pm

Rob wrote:http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/Ahd3gf/ww ... criminals/
A small camera fitted to the glasses can capture 400 facial images per second and send them to a central computer database storing up to 13 million faces.

The system can compare biometric data at 46,000 points on a face and will immediately signal any matches to known criminals or people wanted by police.

If there is a match a red signal will appear on a small screen connected to the glasses, alerting the police officer of the need to take further action or make an arrest.

The devices will soon be tested at football matches and concerts and police in Brazil, South America's biggest country, are already planning to use them during the next World Cup.

The camera will generally be used to scan faces in crowds up to 50 metres (164ft) away but can be adjusted, if searching for a specific target, to recognise faces as far as 12 miles away.

Military Police officials from Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, which will both host key games in the World Cup, have been given demonstrations of how the device works.

Major Leandro Pavani Agostini, of Sao Paulo's Military Police, said: "It's something discreet because you do not question the person or ask for documents. The computer does it.

"To the naked eye two people may appear identical but with 46,000 points compared, the data will not be beaten."

He said the device will be useful to police trying to monitor many different locations and events, ranging from airports and bus terminals to concerts and football matches.

"I can insert into the database a supporter who was involved in a brawl on the field and even with the old images, he can be located in the future," added the Major.

Robocop, the American film of 1987, told the story of a police officer who was killed by criminals but re-created as a cyborg with an array of weaponry and built-in zoom vision.
I've heard the term Orwellian numerable times regarding this story. I'm personally at a loss of how this compromises personal liberty.
I see a few ways It could compromise liberty.
1. People's movements could be logged without their knowledge.
2. Such a system is very unlikely to be error-free, but is highly likely to be assumed correct in an identification. If the system happens to mark you as a terrorist based on no more than the estimation made from a digital image you will find your liberty infringed.
3. If people's movements are tracked en-masse and analysed for 'suspicious behaviour patterns' you might come under scrutiny simply because you walk near a suspect's house.

The problem here is less the technology, more users' likely attitude to it.

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Post by Hermit » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:06 pm

Rob wrote:I've heard the term Orwellian numerable times regarding this story. I'm personally at a loss of how this compromises personal liberty.
Your naivete is astounding. Do you really believe the adage that "you have nothing to fear if you have done nothing wrong"? Governments have used any and every means for surveillance to suit powerful interests, usually ignoring the rights and freedoms of its citizens in the process. Is there anything you know, that may give us the impression that this has changed, or will change in the near future?
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Post by Thinking Aloud » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:07 pm

Sunglasses. Just sayin'.

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Thinking Aloud wrote:Burkah. Just sayin'.
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Post by Feck » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:15 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Thinking Aloud wrote:Burkah. Just sayin'.
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Post by MrJonno » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:01 pm

The second you enter the public space you lose any right to privacy, thats why its called the public space
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:06 pm

Spray can will cure it. :smoke:

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:08 pm

Thinking Aloud wrote:Sunglasses. Just sayin'.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:38 pm

MrJonno wrote:The second you enter the public space you lose any right to privacy, thats why its called the public space
Not "any" right. You have a right not to be searched without reasonable suspicion of something, for example.

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Post by MrJonno » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:17 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
MrJonno wrote:The second you enter the public space you lose any right to privacy, thats why its called the public space
Not "any" right. You have a right not to be searched without reasonable suspicion of something, for example.
An illegal search is assault not sure thats really privacy related
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