Hear about the latest pocket sized cold fusion reactor?

[Cormac]

Is that a Steorn ORbo in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?

Just googled that.
I had a similar idea for a perpetual motion machine like, decades ago, but I never had the funds for a workshop to build it in.
Contributions gratefully accepted.

You're doing it wrong! Develop a fancy web-site, build up a buzz on the interwebs, announce you will do a demonstration, fail to do a demonstration, ask for more investors to build working prototype and then, the final step: profit.

That is the penultimate, penultimate step.

The penultimate step is:

Shift funds to account in the Caymans, then through several other jurisdictions and corporate bodies.

The final step is:

Sip cocktails on a beach in a lovely part of the world, that has no extradition treaty.

[laklak]

The whole thing smells

Of course it does, old boy. They're bloody Greeks. Stink of squid at the best of times.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

WANT!

Don't think I'll get, but...

WANT!

[Atheist-Lite]

WANT!

Don't think I'll get, but...

WANT!

Greeks and Romans.

[Svartalf]

Energy production from Nickel and Hydrogen with production of copper and it's not fusion?
Of course, something isn't right, because fusing Nickel to Hydrogen to produce copper either produces Cu59, which has a half life of less than 2 minutes, or you have to use Ni62, and try getting a reaction from a reaction from the very stablest nuclide in creation.

Either they don't tell all, or I smell vaporware.

[mistermack]

This is obviously a scam.
This is not how people behave when they have a discovery that will change human history for ever. It's how people behave when they are running a scam.
The greeks are clearly in on it too.
The greek company is newly formed. Doesn't that ring any alarm bells?

He doesn't want to disclose the secret to the scientific world, or the patent offices,
but he's disclosing it to some unknown greeks. Yeh, right. That's the safest way to guard your invention.

It's a job for Penn and Teller.
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[Tyrannical]

Energy production from Nickel and Hydrogen with production of copper and it's not fusion?
Of course, something isn't right, because fusing Nickel to Hydrogen to produce copper either produces Cu59, which has a half life of less than 2 minutes, or you have to use Ni62, and try getting a reaction from a reaction from the very stablest nuclide in creation.

Either they don't tell all, or I smell vaporware.

And the unstable copper isotopes decay back into Nickel, but keeping an extra neutron. Only Ni 63 fusions would result in a stable copper isotope, Cu64.

[Svartalf]

Actually, Cu64 is radioactive, it's Cu63 that is stable, ergo my mention of Ni62, but that one is presumably far too stable for the kind of manipulation they want to practice without it taking far too much energy to effect to do what they want to.

Of course, you could use classic Ni58, but they would have to provide a lot of free neutrons too if they want the copper to be remotely stable.

They are lying somewhere.

[Tyrannical]

Actually, Cu64 is radioactive, it's Cu63 that is stable, ergo my mention of Ni62, but that one is presumably far too stable for the kind of manipulation they want to practice without it taking far too much energy to effect to do what they want to.

Of course, you could use classic Ni58, but they would have to provide a lot of free neutrons too if they want the copper to be remotely stable.

They are lying somewhere.

Yeah, you're right on the Cu63.
Stable copper eventually occurs because the Ni fuses to Cu, decays into a +1 neutron Ni, fuses again into Cu, decays into +1 neutron Ni until a stable Cu isotope is reached. I beleive it is the Cu decay that creates an electron / positron annihilation that creates most of the energy from the reaction.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I think it will work. Jeebus and his dad will pull all of the extra neutron thingies off of the hydrogens and magically glue them to the nickels to make dimes! Then the dimes can be changed into copper cents. Simples.*









*... and about as believable as the story in the OP.

[Svartalf]

Actually, Cu64 is radioactive, it's Cu63 that is stable, ergo my mention of Ni62, but that one is presumably far too stable for the kind of manipulation they want to practice without it taking far too much energy to effect to do what they want to.

Of course, you could use classic Ni58, but they would have to provide a lot of free neutrons too if they want the copper to be remotely stable.

They are lying somewhere.

Yeah, you're right on the Cu63.
Stable copper eventually occurs because the Ni fuses to Cu, decays into a +1 neutron Ni, fuses again into Cu, decays into +1 neutron Ni until a stable Cu isotope is reached. I beleive it is the Cu decay that creates an electron / positron annihilation that creates most of the energy from the reaction.

Yep... now, if the actual output is from the unstable copper rather than from a real fusion reaction, that means you have to spend tremendous energy to fuse those H into the Ni, and then get energy back when the thing comes apart? doesn't make sense, since H doesn't have the extra neutrons to progressively get your Cu to become stable.

There's no way what they propose can ever become remotely self sustaining, or have a positive energy ratio.

[Cormac]

Actually, Cu64 is radioactive, it's Cu63 that is stable, ergo my mention of Ni62, but that one is presumably far too stable for the kind of manipulation they want to practice without it taking far too much energy to effect to do what they want to.

Of course, you could use classic Ni58, but they would have to provide a lot of free neutrons too if they want the copper to be remotely stable.

They are lying somewhere.

Yeah, you're right on the Cu63.
Stable copper eventually occurs because the Ni fuses to Cu, decays into a +1 neutron Ni, fuses again into Cu, decays into +1 neutron Ni until a stable Cu isotope is reached. I beleive it is the Cu decay that creates an electron / positron annihilation that creates most of the energy from the reaction.

Yep... now, if the actual output is from the unstable copper rather than from a real fusion reaction, that means you have to spend tremendous energy to fuse those H into the Ni, and then get energy back when the thing comes apart? doesn't make sense, since H doesn't have the extra neutrons to progressively get your Cu to become stable.

There's no way what they propose can ever become remotely self sustaining, or have a positive energy ratio.

They've probably used the word "quantum" in their documentation. So that is alright then. Problem solved.

[Geoff]

I think it will work. Jeebus and his dad will pull all of the extra neutron thingies off of the hydrogens and magically glue them to the nickels to make dimes! Then the dimes can be changed into copper cents. Simples.*

Makes cents to me!

[Faithfree]

Has there ever been a 'black box" invention that independent scientists are not allowed to look inside of that didn't turn out to be scam?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Has there ever been a 'black box" invention that scientists are not allowed to look inside of that didn't turn out to be scam?

The Phlogiston Generator, I think.