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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Pappa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:36 am

Bella Fortuna wrote: I'm also reminded that I bought Keep the Aspidistra Flying and Coming Up For Air a few months back, and must read...
I love Keep the Aspidistra Flying, it's so funny seeing inside the class-structured mindset that Orwell was born into, especially considering that a lot of those self-imposed class boundaries still exist here today.

Coming up for Air isn't as well written as his other books, but there are some real gems inside it too. Apparently Orwell hated it (as he did many of his books) because the publishers made so many changes to the text for legal reasons.

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Pappa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:51 am

Orwellian wrote:
To me, 1984 represents a call to arms against totalitarian communism and fascism, all forms of totalitarianism. He took the idea of a strong central government and extrapolated it to the extreme point where the State controls thought and even history.

I was thinking about this the other day, and it seems we may well get to the point where technology would allow the State to control history and wipe people away or "vanish" them as occurred in the book. After all, a sufficiently good spider with face recognition, etc., could scour the web in seconds and eliminate a person. With the wave of the future being terminals accessing "clouds" like iCloud, the idea of a person having an "offline" computer is going to become obsolete in not too many years. Once that occurs, for all intents and purposes, everyone's informational lives will be within the reach of the Ministry of Information of 1984.

I wonder if Orwell's dystopian imaginings will eventually prove prescient?
I don't think we'll see this kind of situation in the world again. With the easy exchange of information accross borders that the Internet has enabled, I don't think it would be possible to unperson a person. Certainly not on anything more than a very small scale... something which probably happens occasionally anyway, but that's probably nothing new.

Nowadays, many corporations are more powerful than most governments, but even they don't have the international reach required to take the kind of control required to make life histories disappear on a large scale.

There are just too many observers to make it happen.

1984 wasn't even fantasy really. Orwell was writing about what was actually happening in communist dictatorships at the time, albeit in an exaggerated way. Doublethink is real, 2 minute hate is real. These sorts of things were actually happening at the time, Orwell just developed them and gave them a name.

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Pappa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:58 am

Anyone read We by Yevgeny Zamyatin? It's a utopian/dystopian tale very similar to Brave New World (but loads better). Huxley was accused of copying the story and said he was completely unaware of it when he was writing Brave New World (although copies of it were circulating in literary circles in the US at the time). Orwell openly called Huxley a liar.

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by FBM » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:05 am

Pappa wrote:Anyone read We by Yevgeny Zamyatin? It's a utopian/dystopian tale very similar to Brave New World (but loads better). Huxley was accused of copying the story and said he was completely unaware of it when he was writing Brave New World (although copies of it were circulating in literary circles in the US at the time). Orwell openly called Huxley a liar.

Yeah, I read it for the first time just a couple of months ago. The similarities are striking, but I do believe Orwell when he said he didn't copy Zamyatin's idea. IIRC, it hadn't been translated into English yet when Orwell wrote 1984.
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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by mistermack » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:08 am

FBM wrote:Burmese Days found, will read. Thanks for the recommendation. :tup:
I looked at that linked site, it seems to only have part of the book online.
Up to chapter 18 with lots missing in between.
Does it have the whole thing available?
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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Orwellian » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:10 am

stripes4 wrote:Whoa!! I just bought Coming up for Air on recommendation from a friend. Do you rate it?
Great book! Ahead of its time, but perhaps a tad behind ours. Let me know if after you read it that statement makes any sense to you.
To the future or to the past, to a time when thought is free, when men are different from one another and do not live alone — to a time when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone: From the age of uniformity, from the age of solitude, from the age of Big Brother, from the age of doublethink — greetings!

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Santa_Claus » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:34 am

The Government is monitoring this thread.

FACT.
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Come look inside Santa's Hole :ninja:

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by FBM » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:51 am

mistermack wrote:
FBM wrote:Burmese Days found, will read. Thanks for the recommendation. :tup:
I looked at that linked site, it seems to only have part of the book online.
Up to chapter 18 with lots missing in between.
Does it have the whole thing available?
Yup....
FBM wrote:Well, doo-doo. The Google Book link stops at page 80. :lay:

Now I'm gonna have to buy it. And it takes weeks before it will get here. :nono:


Edit: :dance: :tut:

http://www.george-orwell.org/Burmese_Days/index.html
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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:55 am

mistermack wrote:
FBM wrote:Burmese Days found, will read. Thanks for the recommendation. :tup:
I looked at that linked site, it seems to only have part of the book online.
Up to chapter 18 with lots missing in between.
Does it have the whole thing available?
Not for free. It's copyright protected. $10 or an ebook on Barnes & Noble, though. Or, used on amazon.com for 59 cents plus shipping. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ ... ition=used

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:59 am

FBM wrote:[

Now I'm gonna have to buy it. And it takes weeks before it will get here. :nono:
Or....download an ebook instantly.

Wait....I think I have solved your problem. Apparently, it is free online here: http://www.george-orwell.org/Burmese_Days/index.html

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:01 pm

Santa_Claus wrote:The Government is monitoring this thread.

FACT.
False! Governments do not monitor, only people can monitor. Fact: Big Brother is a person and therefore Big Brother can monitor.

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Ian » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:19 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Santa_Claus wrote:The Government is monitoring this thread.

FACT.
False! Governments do not monitor, only people can monitor. Fact: Big Brother is a person and therefore Big Brother can monitor.
:read:

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:21 pm

Ian wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Santa_Claus wrote:The Government is monitoring this thread.

FACT.
False! Governments do not monitor, only people can monitor. Fact: Big Brother is a person and therefore Big Brother can monitor.
:read:
It's a Dwight Shrute thing... :biggrin:

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Re: Everything George Orwell

Post by Ian » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:24 pm

I don't know who that is.

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Re: Everything George Orwell

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