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by Thinking Aloud » Fri May 15, 2009 10:04 am
Charlou wrote:heh, as if anyone can even justify placing such values as 'right' and 'wrong' on what people find offensive or are averse to (I'd like to see that).
Easy - just cherry-pick bits from the Bible.
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by Trolldor » Fri May 15, 2009 10:06 am
I say display and see the reaction from customers - ignoring angry letters and phone calls. Watch them as they walk in the door.
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by charlou » Fri May 15, 2009 10:20 am
Thinking Aloud wrote:Charlou wrote:heh, as if anyone can even justify placing such values as 'right' and 'wrong' on what people find offensive or are averse to (I'd like to see that).
Easy - just cherry-pick bits from the Bible.
hah! Delusionary 'justification' ... sure, that works for too many, doesn't it?
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by Thinking Aloud » Fri May 15, 2009 10:27 am
Charlou wrote:Thinking Aloud wrote:Charlou wrote:heh, as if anyone can even justify placing such values as 'right' and 'wrong' on what people find offensive or are averse to (I'd like to see that).
Easy - just cherry-pick bits from the Bible.
hah! Delusionary 'justification' ... sure, that works for too many, doesn't it?
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by Chinaski » Fri May 15, 2009 11:26 am
Was this banned in Britain as well or only in the US?
For comparison, here are some other banned covers.
Banned in Germany until 2006:
Censored by the label (the artwork is a picture of their singer's suicide)
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by Trolldor » Fri May 15, 2009 11:30 am
Are you sure cannibal corpse wasn't banned for being shit?
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by Chinaski » Fri May 15, 2009 11:34 am
born-again-atheist wrote:Are you sure cannibal corpse wasn't banned for being shit?
Cannibal Corpse is anything but shit. They practically invented the brutal genre.
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by Trolldor » Fri May 15, 2009 11:38 am
FrigidSymphony wrote:born-again-atheist wrote:Are you sure cannibal corpse wasn't banned for being shit?
Cannibal Corpse is anything but shit. They practically invented the brutal genre.
Let's not derail with how wrong you are.
There's nothing offensive about that image, or disturbing. Wouldn't have given it a second glance, to be honest.
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by Chinaski » Fri May 15, 2009 11:47 am
What about the Mayhem cover? Violence is part of commercial culture. Is it wrong for Mayhem to use a picture of Dead's suicide as an album cover?
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by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri May 15, 2009 1:21 pm
FrigidSymphony wrote:What about the Mayhem cover? Violence is part of commercial culture. Is it wrong for Mayhem to use a picture of Dead's suicide as an album cover?
I could understand a supermarket, which children of all ages are free to access, banning the display of any of the covers you depicted FS. To have them on open display would be sure to bring complaints which they would be wise to avoid. Those images unambiguously depict gruesome scenes.
What I can't understand is a preemptive ban on a piece of artwork merely because it might look like something which it isn't to some people.
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by Trolldor » Fri May 15, 2009 1:26 pm
Children are treated to all sorts of gratuitous imagery every day. I place violence and gore on no pedastal.
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by Chinaski » Fri May 15, 2009 5:26 pm
born-again-atheist wrote:Children are treated to all sorts of gratuitous imagery every day. I place violence and gore on no pedastal.
Exactly. Stores here don't censor CDs in any way. You'll find all Cannibal Corpse CDs (not Mayhem, that album's too obscure to merit being sold in a supermarket here) neatly organized under "C" in the rock section. In fact, it might even have a positive effect. Kids watch Bruce Willis movies and see a glorification of being brutal, violent and shooting people. Gun magazines, shiny, glossy, advertised killing machines. And then a scene of horrible anguish and agony.
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by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri May 15, 2009 5:39 pm
FrigidSymphony wrote:born-again-atheist wrote:Children are treated to all sorts of gratuitous imagery every day. I place violence and gore on no pedastal.
Exactly. Stores here don't censor CDs in any way. You'll find all Cannibal Corpse CDs (not Mayhem, that album's too obscure to merit being sold in a supermarket here) neatly organized under "C" in the rock section. In fact, it might even have a positive effect. Kids watch Bruce Willis movies and see a glorification of being brutal, violent and shooting people. Gun magazines, shiny, glossy, advertised killing machines. And then a scene of horrible anguish and agony.
There is no censorship in record shops. This is purely in 4 major supermarkets.
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by Chinaski » Fri May 15, 2009 5:43 pm
Did I mention record shops?
Come to think of it, we don't have supermarkets that big here to sell CDs. So my point is moot. Still the topic of possible beneficial effects of gory depictions is interesting.
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by ScholasticSpastic » Fri May 15, 2009 6:40 pm
I am sick of seeing sanitized violence. Gives kids the wrong impression. I want my son to know that, if he points a gun at someone and pulls the trigger, the result will be bloody, sickening, painful and loud. He wouldn't know that from all our 'protective measures' in the media. He has no reason to assume that a gunshot will result in anything that isn't sterile and quietly pretty as the hero slips off to heroic sleep. Fuck that.
I want violent violence and sexy sex. These things are not a problem for parents who are able and willing to have a conversation with their children about what they've seen. It's those fucktards who aren't able to talk about sex and violence and the results of both whose children suffer from exposure to the images. But so what? Do we choose not to read because some asswipes are illiterate? Do we choose not to learn and use the scientific method because some idiots believe in creationism? Why do we censor our media because there are people in the world who should not have had children?
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