Is Obama a terrorist?

Post by **Coito ergo sum** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:43 pm

"My fight against terrorism, to me, the biggest terrorist is Obama in the United States of America. I'm trying to fight the terrorism that's actually causing the other forms of terrorism. You know, the root cause of terrorism is the stuff the U.S. government allows to happen. The foreign policies that we have in place in different countries that inspire people to become terrorists."

Lupe Fiasco

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics ... z1On2gvHib

devogue · Post by **devogue** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:49 pm

It's looking like Cheese/bacon.

Post by **Coito ergo sum** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:56 pm

I love the "the US is, but not Obama" getting votes....like...Obama isn't making the decisions on Yemen, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq....lol

Post by **normal** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:49 pm

Stupid Americans. I'm glad the country is run by a black foreign guy! Maybe he can fix up that entire fucked country!

Post by **Feck** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:54 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
"My fight against terrorism, to me, the biggest terrorist is Obama in the United States of America. I'm trying to fight the terrorism that's actually causing the other forms of terrorism. You know, the root cause of terrorism is the stuff the U.S. government allows to happen. The foreign policies that we have in place in different countries that inspire people to become terrorists."
Lupe Fiasco

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics ... z1On2gvHib

Is LUPE (loopy) trying to say that large sections of the world have only just started hatting Merika since O'Bama got into power ?

that's not really true is it

. I notice he doesn't credit the Arab spring and the rise of pro-democracy movements to O'Bama !

Post by **Coito ergo sum** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:01 pm

Well, I wouldn't credit Lupe with any deep thinking on the issue, but to suggest that there really is such a thing as the "Arab Spring" (as being a term referencing some move toward freedom and justice in the Arab world) is a bit naive, and to credit (or blame) Obama with it seems to be a bit of a stretch. There have been a lot of uprisings in the Arab world, but to call them "pro-Democracy" is premature.

Post by **Feck** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:04 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Well, I wouldn't credit Lupe with any deep thinking on the issue, but to suggest that there really is such a thing as the "Arab Spring" (as being a term referencing some move toward freedom and justice in the Arab world) is a bit naive, and to credit (or blame) Obama with it seems to be a bit of a stretch. There have been a lot of uprisings in the Arab world, but to call them "pro-Democracy" is premature.

I was just using it as an example of things not related to Obama .

Post by **Santa_Claus** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:26 pm

I heard that after 2012 he will be renaming the USA as...........Obamistan.

FACT.

Post by **mistermack** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:00 pm

What Obama is, and what he has to be to get elected, might be very different things.
It's all very well being a peace angel, but if you don't get elected, you can't do anything.
So Obama is a reflection of the US centre, and he has to be to get elected.

Also, He's inherited most of the US sponsored terror from George Bush. His hands are tied by the fact that the the US has armies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and thousands of american soldiers have died.
It will take years before we can judge Obama fairly.

Post by **laklak** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:03 pm

Arab Spring, the manly deodorant soap!

Post by **Warren Dew** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:59 am

Here I thought you were just baiting sandinista, but after seeing the votes, I guess not.

Post by **pErvinalia** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:58 am

mistermack wrote:What Obama is, and what he has to be to get elected, might be very different things.
It's all very well being a peace angel, but if you don't get elected, you can't do anything.
So Obama is a reflection of the US centre, and he has to be to get elected.

Also, He's inherited most of the US sponsored terror from George Bush. His hands are tied by the fact that the the US has armies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and thousands of american soldiers have died.
It will take years before we can judge Obama fairly.

Well he hasn't outlawed torture or extraordinary rendition, or closed down Guantanamo or stopped the illegal wiretapping bullshit. I'd say his record speaks quite well for itself.

I've got no doubt that Bush and his government were terrorists, but he's not the first US presidential terrorist. They've got a long line of them going back to at least Nixon.

Post by **Coito ergo sum** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:42 pm

mistermack wrote:What Obama is, and what he has to be to get elected, might be very different things.
It's all very well being a peace angel, but if you don't get elected, you can't do anything.
So Obama is a reflection of the US centre, and he has to be to get elected.

So that would have applied to Bush, too.

mistermack wrote:
Also, He's inherited most of the US sponsored terror from George Bush. His hands are tied by the fact that the the US has armies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and thousands of american soldiers have died.
It will take years before we can judge Obama fairly.

LOL - he's been President for 2 1/2 years, and there is absolutely zero reason why every troop from overseas, anywhere, couldn't have already been recalled. And, he's the one who escalated the war into Pakistan, started bombing people in Libya, and started a new war in Yemen.

It's just funny how people attribute near omnipotence to Bush, but Obama is just a prisoner in the white house with little to no ability to stop or change anything....

...and then, doing wrong to get elected is also justified....lol

Post by **sandinista** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:48 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
LOL - he's been President for 2 1/2 years, and there is absolutely zero reason why every troop from overseas, anywhere, couldn't have already been recalled. And, he's the one who escalated the war into Pakistan, started bombing people in Libya, and started a new war in Yemen.

It's just funny how people attribute near omnipotence to Bush, but Obama is just a prisoner in the white house with little to no ability to stop or change anything....

Post by **mistermack** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:46 pm

rEvolutionist wrote: Well he hasn't outlawed torture or extraordinary rendition, or closed down Guantanamo or stopped the illegal wiretapping bullshit. I'd say his record speaks quite well for itself.

I've got no doubt that Bush and his government were terrorists, but he's not the first US presidential terrorist. They've got a long line of them going back to at least Nixon.

Well, like I said, I would judge Obama on his own projects, not on how he dealt with George Bush's shit.
And he is extremely constrained by Congress, and by having to get re-elected. You can't pretend these things don't exist.
There are political deathtraps built into Guantanamo Bay etc. These were left behind by the Bush Administration. Politically, they are lose-lose situations, and he's quietly managing to lose the minimum.
That's my point. If you judge his administration now, by how they handle Bush's leftovers, you're being politically naive.
And an intelligent analysis would give credit for bad shit that someone HASN'T done.

If George Bush had done nothing more often, his presidency would have been FAR better.
If he'd done nothing about Israel, nothing about Iraq, and nothing about Afghanistan, the whole world would be a better place, America would be less hated, more respected, and a lot richer.
And hundreds of thousands of people would be a lot less dead.
I'm giving Obama some credit for the stupid stuff that he could have done, but didn't.
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