Global war on drugs 'has failed'

[Mysturji]

Singalong-a-Mysturji

Tonight the bombs are falling
On the poppy fields in far away places
Their evil is appalling
In our worst nightmares we can see their faces

The drugs they sell make people high
We must make using them a crime

The war will never be over
Because we're keeping the fear alive

There is no time for stalling
For our enemy
Is so cold-hearted
And still the bombs are falling
We go forth and slay
To honour our martyred

Our leaders say we have the right
We cannot lose with God on our side
This holy war cannot be lost
We'll keep on fighting at any cost

The war will never be over
Because we're keeping the fear alive

We need them
We fear them

The war will never be over
Because we're keeping the fear alive

The terrorists inside my mind
So much more frightening than the real kind
We cannot run we cannot hide
From bombers who kill by suicide

To save the land of the free
You must submit to our authority
We must have more security
You must give up your civil liberties

The war will never be over
Because we're keeping the fear alive

The war will never be over
Because we're keeping the fear alive

The war will never be over

[Gawdzilla Sama]

quote="Seraph"]

over 90% of the population regarding the stuff as the end of civilisation.

and that...is stupid.

Yes, it is, but the reason I mentioned this stupidity is your claim" "I really don't think it has much to do with the electorate." It plainly does.

Only if I agree that your claim that 90 percent of the population regards illegal drugs as the end of civilization is correct. I don't agree with that at all. Do you have any evidence to back that up?

Are you taking my statement literally in order to avoid having to address the issue I had with yours?[/quote]

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Generally when someone states a numbered statistic it means they have something to back it up.

"It was not meant to be a factual statement."

[Ian]

And many pro-legalization people, even smokers and eaters of delicious brownies do not see the issue as anywhere near the top priority.

Of course the war on drugs in an important issue. But lots of things are important. I don't see how it's hugely important, unless you happen to be someone close to this particular issue. And marijuana legalization is merely a sub-issue within the matter.

Global warming, national debt/deficits, unemployment, AIDS, terrorism, the Arab Spring, nuclear proliferation, impending demographic problems, world energy markets/peak oil, technology effects, militarization of space, hunger, poverty, human rights, etc... If I were to make a Top Ten list of issues around the world that I consider important, many of these might be on there. Marijuana legalization would not make the cut.

[sandinista]

And many pro-legalization people, even smokers and eaters of delicious brownies do not see the issue as anywhere near the top priority.

Of course the war on drugs in an important issue. But lots of things are important. I don't see how it's hugely important, unless you happen to be someone close to this particular issue. And marijuana legalization is merely a sub-issue within the matter.

Global warming, national debt/deficits, unemployment, AIDS, terrorism, the Arab Spring, nuclear proliferation, impending demographic problems, world energy markets/peak oil, technology effects, militarization of space, hunger, poverty, human rights, etc... If I were to make a Top Ten list of issues around the world that I consider important, many of these might be on there. Marijuana legalization would not make the cut.

marijuana legalization is simply a first step to end the drug war. A lot of what you mentioned has direct ties with the drug war, global warming (more hemp use), national debt (taxing drugs), unemployment (creating a whole new market...of course that may not offset the law enforcement loss of jobs), terrorism (what finances terrorism to a large degree), energy markets (again more use of hemp), poverty (often caused or linked to drug abuse and criminalization), human rights (the drug war is a direct attack on human rights) etc....

[Cunt]

While I agree that it is tangled in everything, sandinista, I disagree with the degree. If you really want to do something about it, the solution has been staring all of us in the face for decades.

Turn yourself in. Be honest. Turn in all your druggie friends, too. Have them turn in their friends. In short order, the law will change. (Canada just released a bunch of real criminals because they could not be given a quick enough trial...)

Simple, right? All it takes is honesty and courage. Do you have enough of those to fix the problem?

[sandinista]

While I agree that it is tangled in everything, sandinista, I disagree with the degree. If you really want to do something about it, the solution has been staring all of us in the face for decades.

Turn yourself in. Be honest. Turn in all your druggie friends, too. Have them turn in their friends. In short order, the law will change. (Canada just released a bunch of real criminals because they could not be given a quick enough trial...)

Simple, right? All it takes is honesty and courage. Do you have enough of those to fix the problem?

your solution is "be a snitch"...that's gotta be the dumbest "solution" (of course, it's not a solution at all) I've ever read. All it takes is stupidity do you have enough of that? "druggie" friends, what are you 5 years old?

[Cunt]

What do you suppose would happen if all the pot-smokers dropped their cowardice (or is it indifference?) and turned themselves in tomorrow?

Do you think they would prosecute all those druggies, causing countless criminals to be released due to clogged courts? Or do you think it would cause a change in the law?

Really, if you are a fearless and honest citizen, that is the best way to protest. They can't lock everyone up. Oh, and if there are too few druggie criminals for this to work, then the druggies will be off the street. Call it stupid and immature if you like, but I think that is just masking your reluctance to be a martyr for your cause.

Keep on whinging instead. That seems to be doing good for you so far.

[sandinista]

What do you suppose would happen if all the pot-smokers dropped their cowardice (or is it indifference?) and turned themselves in tomorrow?

cowardice ridiculous. Why should anyone turn themselves in for smoking a plant.

Keep on whinging instead. That seems to be doing good for you so far.

I love when people call defending human rights as "whinging". Good work.

[Coito ergo sum]

I love when people call defending human rights as "whinging". Good work.

What human right?

[Cunt]

Other than whinging, what action are you taking? Have you got a better idea than overwhelming the justice system?

I regularly pollute various areas with finely ground pot. This makes EVERYTHING (say, in an airport) smell like jackpot to a dog (presuming it has been trained to piddle when it smells pot). The dog (or device) then becomes useless due to false positives.

I use my own marihuana to do this. I consider it a tax. I DO take action. I am willing to admit that I don't engage the other system because I am a coward (mixed with a bit of indifference).

What have you done, other than whinge? Some of the most respectful leaders have been arrested for what they believe in. Either Sagan or Feynman was arrested protesting nuclear testing in the US when their government was testing nukes unlawfully.

It works. Challenge a law on a forum, and you look like a whinger. Take action and challenge it in a court of law, and you could really get somewhere.

[Cunt]

The global war on drugs will continue as long as we the people don't mind too much.

[sandinista]

I love when people call defending human rights as "whinging". Good work.

What human right?

To do with your consciousness what you please. Not to mention throwing people in prison for altering their consciousness or merely growing a plant. When you throw people in prison for harmless acts, or for acts which may only "harm" themselves that is infringing on their human rights.

[Coito ergo sum]

I love when people call defending human rights as "whinging". Good work.

What human right?

To do with your consciousness what you please.

...except eat hamburgers.

Not to mention throwing people in prison for altering their consciousness or merely growing a plant. When you throw people in prison for harmless acts, or for acts which may only "harm" themselves that is infringing on their human rights.

I agree, but you don't seem to agree with this all the time.

[Ian]

Mmmm... hamburger...

[Robert_S]

Mmmm... hamburger...

Got the munchies there?