Jews launch Bio Attack on EU

[Santa_Claus]

Apparently God told them to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13632923

FACT.

[Svartalf]

Why Jews? any assholes couda' done it

[Atheist-Lite]

Why Jews? any assholes couda' done it

yanks...some of 'em'll be jews but they haven't got the nerve to do it alone....yanks, plain and simple.....they've a vested interesting in sowing the seeds of suspicion within the EU with their default coming up.

[Seth]

Actually, we have the anti-nuke nutbar faction to thank for this sort of thing, like the group "Food and Water" in the US, who almost single-handedly fearmongered food irradiation out of existence.

They would rather allow 8000 people per year to die from food-borne illnesses like e-coli and listeria than let distributors irradiate produce and meat to kill bacteria.

They have some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality, which is a complete lie.

Irradiation has been used in Europe for more than 30 years with no problems. Which makes it somewhat surprising that this outbreak started in Europe.

[mistermack]

Actually, we have the anti-nuke nutbar faction to thank for this sort of thing, like the group "Food and Water" in the US, who almost single-handedly fearmongered food irradiation out of existence.

They would rather allow 8000 people per year to die from food-borne illnesses like e-coli and listeria than let distributors irradiate produce and meat to kill bacteria.

They have some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality, which is a complete lie.

Irradiation has been used in Europe for more than 30 years with no problems. Which makes it somewhat surprising that this outbreak started in Europe.

I don't think you've grasped the real problem with irradiation.
It's not some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality.
It's the danger, which is almost a certainty, that it will be abused, to bring food back to saleability when it has already gone bad.
That is happening now anyway, around the world, using other methods, but it's hard to disguise at the moment.
If you could irradiate it, it would be very difficult to spot.
I was all for irradiation, and still am, but until you can guarantee that it won't be abused, you can't free it up.
It's just one part of the price we pay for going easy on white collar crime.
.

[Coito ergo sum]

Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it....

[Feck]

Told you all, Salad and vegetables are evil .

[Coito ergo sum]

Attack of the killer tomatoes!
Attack of the killer tomatoes!
They'll beat you, bash you, squish you, mash you, chew you up for brunch!
And finish you off
For dinner and lunch!

[Seth]

Actually, we have the anti-nuke nutbar faction to thank for this sort of thing, like the group "Food and Water" in the US, who almost single-handedly fearmongered food irradiation out of existence.

They would rather allow 8000 people per year to die from food-borne illnesses like e-coli and listeria than let distributors irradiate produce and meat to kill bacteria.

They have some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality, which is a complete lie.

Irradiation has been used in Europe for more than 30 years with no problems. Which makes it somewhat surprising that this outbreak started in Europe.

I don't think you've grasped the real problem with irradiation.
It's not some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality.
It's the danger, which is almost a certainty, that it will be abused, to bring food back to saleability when it has already gone bad.
That is happening now anyway, around the world, using other methods, but it's hard to disguise at the moment.
If you could irradiate it, it would be very difficult to spot.
I was all for irradiation, and still am, but until you can guarantee that it won't be abused, you can't free it up.
It's just one part of the price we pay for going easy on white collar crime.
.

If it's not rotting because all of the bacteria that cause it to rot are dead, it's not "gone bad," now has it? People have eaten 10,000 year old Mammoth steaks that are still perfectly nutritious because they've been frozen all that time, so what's your beef?

Increased shelf-life is just one of the side benefits of cobalt sterilization, and it's a fucking great side benefit. I'd love my salad greens to last longer in the fridge AND be free of e-coli, thank you very much.

And the solution to the non-problem you posit is date-of-harvest and date-of-last sale markings, which I'm not opposed to. That way people get to make their own decisions about freshness. I buy outdated "best used by" products all the time, at half-price, because I know that markets are very conservative about those dates since they know that most consumers won't buy after the sell-by date has expired, even though the food is perfectly safe and nutritious.

[mistermack]

Actually, we have the anti-nuke nutbar faction to thank for this sort of thing, like the group "Food and Water" in the US, who almost single-handedly fearmongered food irradiation out of existence.

They would rather allow 8000 people per year to die from food-borne illnesses like e-coli and listeria than let distributors irradiate produce and meat to kill bacteria.

They have some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality, which is a complete lie.

Irradiation has been used in Europe for more than 30 years with no problems. Which makes it somewhat surprising that this outbreak started in Europe.

I don't think you've grasped the real problem with irradiation.
It's not some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality.
It's the danger, which is almost a certainty, that it will be abused, to bring food back to saleability when it has already gone bad.
That is happening now anyway, around the world, using other methods, but it's hard to disguise at the moment.
If you could irradiate it, it would be very difficult to spot.
I was all for irradiation, and still am, but until you can guarantee that it won't be abused, you can't free it up.
It's just one part of the price we pay for going easy on white collar crime.
.

If it's not rotting because all of the bacteria that cause it to rot are dead, it's not "gone bad," now has it? People have eaten 10,000 year old Mammoth steaks that are still perfectly nutritious because they've been frozen all that time, so what's your beef?

Increased shelf-life is just one of the side benefits of cobalt sterilization, and it's a fucking great side benefit. I'd love my salad greens to last longer in the fridge AND be free of e-coli, thank you very much.

And the solution to the non-problem you posit is date-of-harvest and date-of-last sale markings, which I'm not opposed to. That way people get to make their own decisions about freshness. I buy outdated "best used by" products all the time, at half-price, because I know that markets are very conservative about those dates since they know that most consumers won't buy after the sell-by date has expired, even though the food is perfectly safe and nutritious.

I'm not arguing against the benefits of irradiation. I agree that they are desirable.
I'm pointing out that you haven't grasped the potential for misuse.
It's not some misguided uninformed prejudice that's stopping widespread licensing of irradiation.
It's the sure knowledge that it will be misused. I don't think you know much about bacterial action, from what you are saying.
If you sterilise food AFTER bacteria have been at work, that doesn't make it safe. They have often already produced powerful toxins that are impervious to irradiation, or boiling and roasting.
The apparently safe bacteria-free food can be deadly.
And re-labelling is no problem to these guys when there is a fortune to be made.

You've got the wrong end of the stick, by just reading the headlines of crappy news media. It's not some kind of superstitious fear that sways governments, it's the very real knowledge that irradiation would get abused.
.

[Seth]

Actually, we have the anti-nuke nutbar faction to thank for this sort of thing, like the group "Food and Water" in the US, who almost single-handedly fearmongered food irradiation out of existence.

They would rather allow 8000 people per year to die from food-borne illnesses like e-coli and listeria than let distributors irradiate produce and meat to kill bacteria.

They have some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality, which is a complete lie.

Irradiation has been used in Europe for more than 30 years with no problems. Which makes it somewhat surprising that this outbreak started in Europe.

I don't think you've grasped the real problem with irradiation.
It's not some idiotic, Luddite delusion that irradiation makes food radioactive or affects its quality.
It's the danger, which is almost a certainty, that it will be abused, to bring food back to saleability when it has already gone bad.
That is happening now anyway, around the world, using other methods, but it's hard to disguise at the moment.
If you could irradiate it, it would be very difficult to spot.
I was all for irradiation, and still am, but until you can guarantee that it won't be abused, you can't free it up.
It's just one part of the price we pay for going easy on white collar crime.
.

If it's not rotting because all of the bacteria that cause it to rot are dead, it's not "gone bad," now has it? People have eaten 10,000 year old Mammoth steaks that are still perfectly nutritious because they've been frozen all that time, so what's your beef?

Increased shelf-life is just one of the side benefits of cobalt sterilization, and it's a fucking great side benefit. I'd love my salad greens to last longer in the fridge AND be free of e-coli, thank you very much.

And the solution to the non-problem you posit is date-of-harvest and date-of-last sale markings, which I'm not opposed to. That way people get to make their own decisions about freshness. I buy outdated "best used by" products all the time, at half-price, because I know that markets are very conservative about those dates since they know that most consumers won't buy after the sell-by date has expired, even though the food is perfectly safe and nutritious.

I'm not arguing against the benefits of irradiation. I agree that they are desirable.
I'm pointing out that you haven't grasped the potential for misuse.
It's not some misguided uninformed prejudice that's stopping widespread licensing of irradiation.
It's the sure knowledge that it will be misused. I don't think you know much about bacterial action, from what you are saying.
If you sterilise food AFTER bacteria have been at work, that doesn't make it safe. They have often already produced powerful toxins that are impervious to irradiation, or boiling and roasting.
The apparently safe bacteria-free food can be deadly.
And re-labelling is no problem to these guys when there is a fortune to be made.

You've got the wrong end of the stick, by just reading the headlines of crappy news media. It's not some kind of superstitious fear that sways governments, it's the very real knowledge that irradiation would get abused.
.

And the current system isn't also being abuse? What nonsense. If someone is going to relabel and sell tainted food, that's what they are going to do. The vast majority of food, at least in most civilized countries, isn't tainted, and when it is it's an accident, an oversight, or the product of poor management, not deliberate contamination. Irradiation merely provides another significant safeguard for food supplies to prevent bacterial food poisoning. It's not an absolute guarantee, nothing is, but it's better than what we're doing today, which is pretty much nothing.

The sprouts from Germany that appear to have set off this scare, and have cost European food producers something like a third of a billion dollars EACH WEEK might have been avoided if such foodstuffs were routinely irradiated before being distributed. Perhaps not, but since irradiation does nothing harmful to the food, why not do it and add to the safety of the food supply. In particular, it would help prevent food poisoning in canned goods, which generally have a higher trust level than produce anyway.

Irradiation would not be any more likely to be "abused" than any other food-safety measure, including bogus inspections of meat by government inspectors who have been paid off to look the other way.