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British muslims and inbreeding?...

Post by odysseus » Mon May 30, 2011 8:15 pm

From the fount-of-all-knowledge that is The Daily Mail, possibly Britain's most right-wing 'newspaper'....

tl;dr - science dude upsets a bunch of folk by telling them that first-cousin marriages may increase the chances of genetic disorders in the kids.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... risks.html
'Bradford is very inbred': Muslim outrage as professor warns first-cousin marriages increase risk of birth defects

By Tom Kelly
Last updated at 11:06 AM on 30th May 2011

Inbreeding among British Muslims is threatening the health of their children, a leading geneticist warned yesterday.
Professor Steve Jones, from University College London, said the common practice in Islamic communities for cousins to marry each other increased the risk of birth defects.
‘There may be some evidence that cousins marrying one another can be harmful,’ he told an audience at the Hay Festival.
‘We should be concerned about that as there can be a lot of hidden genetic damage. Children are much more likely to get two copies of a damaged gene.
‘Bradford is very inbred. There is a huge amount of cousins marrying each other there.’
Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins – and in Bradford

Other research has found that children of first cousins are ten times more likely to have recessive genetic disorders and face deafness, blindness and infant mortality.
But Prof Jones’s comments provoked anger among some Muslim groups yesterday
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, which promotes the image of Muslims in Britain, said: ‘I know many Muslims who have married their cousins and none of them have had a problem with their children.
‘Obviously, we don’t want any children to be born disabled who don’t need to be born disabled, so I would advise genetic screening before first cousins marry.
'But I find Steve Jones’s comments unworthy of a professor. Using language like “inbreeding” to describe cousins marrying is completely inappropriate and further demonises Muslims.’

Concern about the risks to children from first-cousin marriage has been described as the last great taboo.
Former environment minister Phil Woolas was rebuked by Downing Street in 2008 for saying British Pakistanis are fuelling rates of birth defects by marrying their cousins, with the spokesman for then prime minister Gordon Brown saying the issue was not one for ministers to comment on.
Mohammed Saleem Khan, chief executive of the Bradford Council for Mosques, said: ‘It is important to discuss these issues, but I just do not know of any firm evidence backing up Professor Jones’s claims. I think we need more conclusive studies so we can know for certain if there is any genuine risk.
‘Marriages between cousins is certainly common within south Asia, but it is becoming less so in Britain and also in Bradford. Islam allows you to marry anyone you want, so in many ways Islam promotes diversity.’

In his talk, Prof Jones said inbreeding was not confined to Muslims, and historically had occurred in every part of society, including the royal family.
He said: ‘We are all more incestuous than we realise. In Northern Ireland lots of people share the same surname, which suggests a high level of inbreeding.
‘There’s a lot of surname diversity in London but if you look at the Outer Hebrides there are rather fewer surnames in relation to the number of people.’
Well yes.... but he obviously hasn't been to St. Just in Cornwall.... the gene pool there is more of a puddle.... :lol:

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Post by AshtonBlack » Mon May 30, 2011 8:19 pm

There's a family in London... live in a posh house, Windsor or something, that are legendarily inbred. :dq:

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Post by charlou » Tue May 31, 2011 1:01 am

First cousin marriages are not only going on among Muslims. It's legal in Australia and most other parts of the world.

In Australia:
Marriage to a relative

The Marriage Act prohibits people marrying:

* an ancestor or descendant; or
* their brother or sister (whether whole blood or half-blood siblings)

These restrictions also apply to adoptive relationships even if these have been annulled, cancelled, discharged or cease to be effective for any reason (for example, a subsequent adoption order being made).

This means, for example, that a person cannot marry their parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother or sister. However, (depending of course on the gender of the party) a person may marry their aunt or uncle, niece or nephew or ‘first’ cousin.

http://www.ema.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/P ... ng_Married

The wiki on it is interesting and informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

Interesting to note there that the US is the only country that apparently doesn't allow cousin marriages in many states. The information on genetics and consanguinity is also of interest, and worth exploring to make informed assessments.
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Post by Lozzer » Tue May 31, 2011 12:10 pm

The Telegrapth's article on the matter includes the professor's opinion on our Hanoverian bunch of hicks in Windsor.
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Post by Feck » Tue May 31, 2011 12:13 pm

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Post by Azathoth » Tue May 31, 2011 12:34 pm

There is an article in the torygraph about microcephalics in pakistan too.
In Pakistan, however, some 60 per cent of marriages are between first cousins; the frequency in Bradford and Leeds is thought to be comparable. The result is that clinical genetics units serving the British Pakistani community see a range and frequency of genetic disorders unknown elsewhere in the country.
Marrying your cousin isn't inbreeding though. That is insulting and racist

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Post by Arse » Tue May 31, 2011 3:10 pm

It is inbreeding if its done generation after generation after generation. Eventually it gets to the stage where you might as well be married to yourself.
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Post by odysseus » Tue May 31, 2011 5:50 pm

Azathoth wrote:Marrying your cousin isn't inbreeding though. That is insulting and racist
Depends on the definition of inbreeding: Marrying them may not constitute inbreeding, but procreating with them would appear to...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inbreeding
in·breed·ing

–noun Biology .

the mating of closely related individuals, as cousins, sire-daughter, brother-sister, or self-fertilized plants, which tends to increase the number of individuals that are homozygous for a trait and therefore increases the appearance of recessive traits.

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Post by redunderthebed » Tue May 31, 2011 11:06 pm

I'm surprised the chairman of the leeds united football club havent issued a statement on the matter. :tea:
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Well yes.... but he obviously hasn't been to St. Just in Cornwall.... the gene pool there is more of a puddle.... :lol:
Or most small farming towns in Australia......i mean if it wasnt for inbreeding there wouldn't be a great flinders football league.
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