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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon May 30, 2011 8:39 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:Of course, I have never said "America fuck yea" or, "America is number one" or "America is always right" or anything of the kind.
Of course, I have never been a "conspiracy theorist"...whatever the fuck that is. Kind of like stating conspiracies don't exist. lala land thinking.

You want corporate names? Wall Street, the pharmaceutical lobbies, the oil lobbies, they run your government. It's not a big secret, not a conspiracy, not even really hidden unless you're willingly blind.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqsWti3m ... dded#at=21[/youtube]

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Contr ... tions.html

http://www.michaelparenti.org/MoneyGame.html

As I said:
conspiracy theory 
–noun
1.
a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.
2.
the idea that many important political events or economic and social trends are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.
No specifics in Perkins' speech and lots and lots of "they" "they" "they" references and "corporate power." Yes, it's all a scam, that "they" orchestrate via "secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public."

I absolutely LOVE how part of the evils he recounts as being perpetrated by "forced loans" from the IMF to poor countries is the construction of power plants, ports and highways! LOL - oh, yes - it's a TRAP! No power plants, ports and highways for poor countries.... it only oppresses them....


The world, says Perkins, is governed by a shadowy "corporatocracy," an invisible empire of wealth and greed that deploys a combination of bribes, assassins and seductive women to enslave the poorest countries. Perkins served this empire as an "economic hit man," a consultant who bamboozled unsuspecting Asians and Latin Americans into borrowing too much, so puncturing their sovereignty. The loans financed lucrative contracts for American construction firms. Needless to say, Perkins is certain that they did not help poor people.

Perkins speaks with a beguiling purr, and you can see why he's greeted with standing ovations at bookstores across the country. Besides working as an economic consultant, he's written books about Latin American shamans, including one called "The World Is as You Dream It." But his account of international finance is itself largely a dream. Even if you believe the stories of seducers and assassins, which other journalists have questioned, Perkins's basic contentions are flat wrong. Sure, developing countries (like rich countries) borrow too much sometimes. But the poor don't always lose. Nor are corporations all-powerful.

Perkins likes to invoke Indonesia, the scene of his first hit-man assignment. The way he tells it, the development economists who persuaded Indonesia to borrow money around 1970 were peddling a ludicrous idea -- that Indonesia's economy could spring from the dark age to the modern age in a mere generation. Well, Indonesia's infant mortality and adult illiteracy rates each fell by two-thirds over the next three decades, and life expectancy shot up by 19 years. If the corporatocracy was trying to lay Indonesia low, this was a funny way of doing it.

The same point holds for the developing world generally. The adult illiteracy rate in the poor world was halved between 1970 and 2000, and since 1980 the number of people living on less than $1 a day has fallen by about 200 million, even as the world's population has expanded rapidly. That is a stunning achievement given that the ranks of the poor had previously been swelling steadily, at least since 1820.

The poor have made these gains because Perkins's second contention is equally wrong: The corporatocracy is neither evil nor omnipotent. Survey after survey has shown that the multinational companies vilified by Perkins pay better wages than their local rivals in poor countries: One study of 20,000 Indonesian manufacturing plants found that the average pay in foreign-owned factories was 50 percent higher than in local ones -- and also that foreign competition pushed local wages upward. As Martin Wolf remarks in his book, "Why Globalization Works," multinational firms induce a race to the top more than a race to the bottom.

Perkins likes to say that of the world's 100 biggest economies, 51 are companies. This old chestnut is based on a fallacious comparison of companies' sales to countries' gross domestic product: Whereas GDP measures the amount of value added in an economy, sales lump together a firm's value-added with inputs bought in from suppliers. According to an apples-to-apples comparison done by the United Nations, just two of the world's top 50 economies were companies in the year 2000. Of the top 100 economies, 29 were companies.

That may still sound like a lot, but remember that companies compete against each other. In the world as Perkins dreams it, the top 100 or so firms are joined in a shadowy conspiracy. But the reality is that Exxon Mobil schemes to undermine BP and Shell, and General Electric plots against Siemens and Hitachi. Countries don't face a united corporatocracy. They play firms off against each other.

Besides, power is not the same as sales figures. Governments force citizens to pay taxes; firms can't force customers to do anything. Governments put citizens behind bars; citizens can use consumer power to put companies out of business. Governments have a monopoly on the right to impose laws, including laws that constrain corporate behavior; the fact that firms spend vast sums on lobbying is proof not only of their strength but also of their vulnerability. Of course, sometimes the lobbyists succeed. But over the past couple of decades, the scope of environmental, health and safety laws has generally expanded.

Perkins has tapped into a widespread fear. Thanks to the Bush administration, the mere mention of Halliburton is enough to prove the anti-corporate case to many bookshop audiences. But the truth is that corporations do not rule the world, and intensifying global competition has rendered them more vulnerable. Since the mid-1970s, when Perkins was touring the world as a hit man, fully half of the top 100 American industrial corporations have disappeared from that list. So what is this corporatocracy that Perkins fears? Is it the failing General Motors? Or vanished international banks such as S.G. Warburg? Or is it perhaps Chas. T. Main, Perkins's own employer in his hit-man days, which was swallowed up by a rival years ago?
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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by sandinista » Mon May 30, 2011 8:48 pm

and...jeez you would expect a washington post "editorial" :fp: to back Perkins and his outing of the IMF, CIa, and US multinationals. :coffeespray:

"I absolutely LOVE how part of the evils he recounts as being perpetrated by "forced loans" from the IMF to poor countries is the construction of power plants, ports and highways! LOL - oh, yes - it's a TRAP! No power plants, ports and highways for poor countries.... it only oppresses them...."

read his books, you may understand. I'm not going to spend my time explaining it to you. It's not that complicated. All you need to do is some base analysis.
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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon May 30, 2011 8:52 pm

sandinista wrote:and...jeez you would expect a washington post "editorial" :fp: to back Perkins and his outing of the IMF, CIa, and US multinationals. :coffeespray:
LOL - because as Perkins HIMSELF said...those damn "corporatists" schemed to build ports, power plants and highways in poor countries, and managed to reduce poverty and decrease infant mortality, etc. in those countries....those evil bastards!

As for the WP "editorial" - it makes a lot more fucking sense than the self-serving screeds produced by fucknuts like Perkins...to sell books...

I love how the editorial writer to you is unbelievable, but Perkins, with an obvious interest to sell his book by whipping up fervor among folks showing up to listen to his bullshit is absolutely incontrovertible to you....

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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by sandinista » Mon May 30, 2011 9:02 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:and...jeez you would expect a washington post "editorial" :fp: to back Perkins and his outing of the IMF, CIa, and US multinationals. :coffeespray:
LOL - because as Perkins HIMSELF said...those damn "corporatists" schemed to build ports, power plants and highways in poor countries, and managed to reduce poverty and decrease infant mortality, etc. in those countries....those evil bastards!

As for the WP "editorial" - it makes a lot more fucking sense than the self-serving screeds produced by fucknuts like Perkins...to sell books...

I love how the editorial writer to you is unbelievable, but Perkins, with an obvious interest to sell his book by whipping up fervor among folks showing up to listen to his bullshit is absolutely incontrovertible to you....
I love how you'll believe an editorial in a major newspaper about an authors book which you haven't even read. :bored:
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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon May 30, 2011 9:08 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:and...jeez you would expect a washington post "editorial" :fp: to back Perkins and his outing of the IMF, CIa, and US multinationals. :coffeespray:
LOL - because as Perkins HIMSELF said...those damn "corporatists" schemed to build ports, power plants and highways in poor countries, and managed to reduce poverty and decrease infant mortality, etc. in those countries....those evil bastards!

As for the WP "editorial" - it makes a lot more fucking sense than the self-serving screeds produced by fucknuts like Perkins...to sell books...

I love how the editorial writer to you is unbelievable, but Perkins, with an obvious interest to sell his book by whipping up fervor among folks showing up to listen to his bullshit is absolutely incontrovertible to you....
I love how you'll believe an editorial in a major newspaper about an authors book which you haven't even read. :bored:
I don't have to believe the editorial. I just need to listen to Perkins' own words. Once again. The "evil" that he claimed occurred - in his own video that you posted - was "building ports, power plants, and highways..." -- Oh, my fucking GOD! Really? Poor countries were duped into taking out loans to build powerplants, ports and highways????? Will the abominations never cease!

Dude - those are GOOD things for a country. Ports are used so that ships can get in and out, and that poor country can become less poor by shipping products. Highways are built to facilitate transportation within the country, and power plants generate, uhhh....power...so that people can be have light and heat... bastard corporatists!

What would be a help, if not power plants, ports and highways? Just buy the people in the poor countries more tin shacks and supply them with extra blankets?

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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by sandinista » Mon May 30, 2011 9:32 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: Once again. The "evil" that he claimed occurred - in his own video that you posted - was "building ports, power plants, and highways..." --
Do you take everything the government and big business, multinationals and financial organizations say at face value? You are an upstanding obedient citizen aren't you? Like I said, it's not that hard to figure out, read his books, or even one of them. Hell, they are available in audio book if you don't like reading.
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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon May 30, 2011 9:33 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote: Once again. The "evil" that he claimed occurred - in his own video that you posted - was "building ports, power plants, and highways..." --
Do you take everything the government and big business, multinationals and financial organizations say? Like I said, it's not that hard to figure out, read his books, or even one of them. Hell, they are available in audio book if you don't like reading.
Dude - I took what PERKINS HIMSELF SAID!!!!!!! He said it himself!!!!!!! In the video you posted of Perkins talking and he was referring to those things as the bad things the corporatists did. He wasn't suggesting that the multinationals were claiming to have done those things but really did something else.
the actual content of Perkins’ admissions proves distressingly thin...

Similarly, in his dust jacket quotation, David Korten writes that Perkins “names names and connects the dots.” But that is precisely what Perkins doesn’t do. Unlike Agee’s extensive listing of CIA operatives, Perkins outs no one. Rather than bringing forth his own evidence of specific offenses, he relies on already published accounts to back his revelations: He uses a Vanity Fair story to discuss the Bushes’ relationship with the Saudi royal family, referring to his own Saudi contact only as “Prince W.”

Then there are his New Age leanings. Toward the end of the book, Perkins writes about his current nonprofit work with indigenous people in places like Ecuador. In a bizarre turn, he delves into a type of essentialism that, thankfully, has been long banished from university anthropology departments. He recounts “The Prophecy of the Condor and the Eagle,” predicting a time in which “the condor people of the Amazon,” with their “intuitive and mystical” sensibilities, will learn to live in peace with the “rational and material” Eagle.

The fate of the “Third Millennium” aside, Perkins’ work is incomplete—we should demand something more than his current Confessions. If other ex-EHMs come forward as a result of his book to uncover the specific deals and deal-makers that have shaped the modern age of globalization, it would be an inspiring development.

But for now, we have only Perkins. He has written the spy-thriller version of his past life—designed to be accessible, if not to offer much fat on the bone. Now that he has our attention, let’s have the meat.
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Post by sandinista » Mon May 30, 2011 9:35 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: Once again. The "evil" that he claimed occurred - in his own video that you posted - was "building ports, power plants, and highways..." --
Do you take everything the government and big business, multinationals and financial organizations say? Like I said, it's not that hard to figure out, read his books, or even one of them. Hell, they are available in audio book if you don't like reading.
Dude - I took what PERKINS HIMSELF SAID!!!!!!! He said it himself!!!!!!! In the video you posted of Perkins talking and he was referring to those things as the bad things the corporatists did. He wasn't suggesting that the multinationals were claiming to have done those things but really did something else.
This is the problem with 24 hour news and the internet. IT"S A CLIP MAN!!! It is brief...a summary...a clip...Get some more information. :banghead:
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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon May 30, 2011 9:50 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: Once again. The "evil" that he claimed occurred - in his own video that you posted - was "building ports, power plants, and highways..." --
Do you take everything the government and big business, multinationals and financial organizations say? Like I said, it's not that hard to figure out, read his books, or even one of them. Hell, they are available in audio book if you don't like reading.
Dude - I took what PERKINS HIMSELF SAID!!!!!!! He said it himself!!!!!!! In the video you posted of Perkins talking and he was referring to those things as the bad things the corporatists did. He wasn't suggesting that the multinationals were claiming to have done those things but really did something else.
This is the problem with 24 hour news and the internet. IT"S A CLIP MAN!!! It is brief...a summary...a clip...Get some more information. :banghead:
I'll be happy to read that book "Confessions." Seems like it will be a hoot. And, you should have picked a better clip, then. If that's the dramatic "we ripped off countries" clip, you'd think he would have said something awful instead of something that made me say, "Huh - wow - sounds like some really good development going on there....ports...that'll help...power plants....heck yeah, power is helpful, and highways...man highways would be great in some 3rd world countries." LOL - might've come up with a better "zinger" than that.
Leaning low into the microphone, Mr. Perkins affects a deep conspiratorial whisper as he sets the scene for the imagined encounter between the new president and the representative of the multinational corporate interests Mr. Morales had vilified during his campaign.

"Congratulations Mr. President," Mr. Perkins says, assuming the role of the businessman, or economic hit man, as he likes to call his previous profession. "I just want you to know that in this hand I have a couple of hundred million dollars for you and your family if you play the game our way." With the practiced timing of an expert storyteller, Mr. Perkins pauses. "And in this hand I have a gun with a bullet in case you decide to keep your campaign promises."

As the rapt crowd clucks and murmurs as if let in on an unspeakable confidence, Mr. Perkins cautions that he is speaking metaphorically. But for an audience already punch drunk on Mr. Perkins's very own tales of corporate skullduggery, his allegory — overripe though it may be — carries not only a ring of truth but also clues to a long history of unexplained endings.

"And what about those crashes of J.F.K. Jr. and Paul Wellstone?" a woman in the audience asks. "They were awfully suspicious."

Yes, Mr. Perkins says with a nod, and reels off the deaths of others in airplane crashes: Gen. Omar Torrijos, the former president of Panama, in 1981; Jaime Roldos Aguilera, the president of Ecuador, also in 1981; and even Senator John G. Tower, the Republican from Texas, who perished with 22 others on a commercial flight in 1991. "We have had a lot of plane crashes," Mr. Perkins says ominously.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/busin ... nd&emc=rss

In an early scene that sets the tone for the book, he describes being seduced by a mysterious Catherine Zeta-Jones look-alike who called herself Claudine Martin and supposedly worked at Main. In an interview, he said she plied him with cocaine, red wine and ultimately herself. "We are a small exclusive club," she says in the book. "Your job is to encourage world leaders to become part of a vast network that promotes U.S. commercial interests. In the end, those leaders become ensnared in a web of debt that ensures their loyalty."
Mr. Perkins invests much of the story with earnest, pulpy touches. He writes of himself drinking beers and listening to Jimmy Buffett under magenta skies with beautiful women, meeting with disfigured dissidents in shantytowns outside of Tehran and absorbing the whispered warnings about the United States' imperial designs from Latin American leaders.

Michael M. Thomas, a former investment banker and novelist of Wall Street manners, says a book's success will often be determined more by its voice than its subject. And for now, Mr. Perkins's message of conspiracy carries the perfect pitch for many readers — no matter how fantastic his conclusions may be.

"The odd side of our character is that we believe that dark powers are arranged against us — call it the Da Vinci codes of finance," Mr. Thomas said. "But really, I never heard of anybody being assassinated for lack of taking a loan."

Indeed, for all the book's success, Mr. Perkins has faced numerous questions about the veracity of some of his dreamier contentions. Earlier this month, for example, the State Department released a brief report called "Confessions — or Fantasies — of an Economic Hit Man" that took issue with one of Mr. Perkins' primary assertions: that the National Security Agency, with a wink and a nod, was aware of and may even have approved Mr. Perkins's hiring at Main.

"Perkins is apparently not aware that the National Security Agency is a cryptological (code-making and code-breaking) organization, not an economic organization," read the statement, which was released by the Bureau of International Information Programs. "Neither of these missions involves anything remotely resembling placing economists at private companies in order to increase the debt of foreign countries."

WHILE Mr. Perkins and his publisher have provided documentation attesting to Mr. Perkins's employment at Main during the 1970's, a period in which the company indeed worked on many large infrastructure projects in Ecuador and the Middle East, it is hard to prove some of his fancier claims. These include, for example, that he arranged for a female friend of his to become a concubine for a Saudi prince and expensed the entire affair, that General Torrijos of Panama confided in him about his fear of being assassinated, or that private American corporations employ undercover operatives he calls "jackals," whose tasks may include assassinating foreign leaders who don't do America's bidding.

Moreover, Mr. Perkins has said that his first boss at Main, Einar Greve, was a liaison for the N.S.A. Mr. Greve, however, was quoted in a skeptical profile of Mr. Perkins in Boston Magazine last year as saying that he knew no one at the N.S.A. and that Mr. Perkins "has convinced himself that a lot of this stuff is true." Mr. Greve did not respond to a message at his home seeking comment.

The arc of Mr. Perkins's career seems to be described accurately. A check confirms that Mr. Perkins attended Middlebury College in the mid-1960's. And there is a record of the Iranian student, called Farhad by Mr. Perkins, who befriended the author before both men left Middlebury after a fight at a bar — an incident described in the book.

But in the wake of the controversy over James Frey, who embellished aspects of his own best-selling tale of personal redemption, "A Million Little Pieces," one feels obliged to ask: Is it all true?

Sitting in a hotel room in Chicago, Mr. Perkins is not offended by the question. Mr. Frey has "fried us all," he said with a patient air and a soft laugh. But he says he has been wholly truthful: "I'm not lying. Why would I lie? The incidents are out there.

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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 31, 2011 1:48 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:We're talking about the terrorists that attack the US and its allies.
Of course, a "terrorist" is only someone or some organization that attacks the US. I know that's what you think, fair enough. I disagree.
No, a terrorist can be someone who attacks something other than the US, but a terrorist that we're concerned most about is one that attacks the US or its allies. So, if you're so worried about people putting words in your mouth, have the fucking god damn courtesy not to do it to others. Of course terrorists can attack things other than the US, but that doesn't mean the US has to fight every terrorist, or none at all. We are entitled as a nation to bother most about the ones that fucking attack us, or are in league with those that attack or desire to attack us.
What does this have to do with Iraq? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. If any of this rubbish was true, then you would have attacked Saudi Arabia. Next would be Syria or Iran. Iraq had virtually nothing to do with terrorism until the US brought it there big time in 2003.
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Wasn't he? What of the hundreds of thousands of people who died directly because of him and his secret police and military?
Thousands, Millions die all over the planet because of corrupt leaders...
That's a shame. When we get the chance, we ought to stop it.
What fantasy land do you live in? No one in your government cares about these people. All they care about are US companies and their access to markets and cheap oil. Millions of people will continue to die with the US doing absolutely fuck all about it.

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many of whom have been supported by the US for decades.
Not Iraq.
WTF?!? The West supported Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war. Does news of the world not reach your location?
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 31, 2011 1:54 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote: I hear you folks suggesting that what I've posted is just "garbage." If it is, just pick a point that you think is the most garbage-esque and let's talk about it. Refute what I've said.

Even President Obama has lauded the success of Iraq, and we all agree that nobody would choose to go back to 2002 in Iraq.
No, we don't "all agree", and I think it is incredibly arrogant of you to even suggest it.
That was the impression I got from our discussion.
Well you aren't paying very good attention. We had a multi-post argument about this very point a few posts ago.
If you think it would be preferable that we go back to 2002 Iraq, then that's your position. I haven't heard you say it, yet.
You're not paying attention then.
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It's better now, right? Better than under Hussein?


How so? The place is terrorism central.
rEvolutionist wrote: Anywhere from 10's of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million citizens have lost there lives as a consequence of our action. Is it better for these people? What about the Sunni's who have been persecuted and targeted by terrorism for the last 8 odd years?
How many 100s of thousands to a million citizens lost their lives in the years prior to 2003? How many would have continued to be lost after 2003 with a maniacal Hussein in power, whether Saddam, Uday or Qusay.
Stop pretending the invasion was about the Iraqi people. It was about oil and revenge. And when did Saddam last commit a mass atrocity against his own people? I assuming from your simplistic analysis it must have been in 2002 or something? :ask:
I don't agree with your numbers, anyway. This whole "hundreds of thousands to a million citizens" who lost their lives "as a consequence" of our action is not a good number. Rather than accept the bald statement - I would like to know your basis for those figures.
The figures have been out there for a long time. As far as I recall, 1 million was the high number, and 100,000 was the lowest figure offered by any orginisation, left or right.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 31, 2011 1:58 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:In fact, if the US "got out" (cut economic ties?)
Not what I am talking about.
Sounded like it.
Rubbish. It's obvious what we are talking about. I mentioned it specifically in earlier posts. Your just trying to deflect the argument. Fail.
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Post by sandinista » Tue May 31, 2011 1:58 am

rEvolutionist wrote:What does this have to do with Iraq? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. If any of this rubbish was true, then you would have attacked Saudi Arabia. Next would be Syria or Iran. Iraq had virtually nothing to do with terrorism until the US brought it there big time in 2003.
Of course Iraq had nothing to do with the planes hitting the buildings. The invasion also had nothing to do with "toppling a dictator" or whatever other rubbish the US propaganda machine churns out. It was for resources and region control as well as a money making project for US corporations. The US economy depends on war, they need it.
rEvolutionist wrote:What fantasy land do you live in?
I've been trying to figure that out. The best I can gather it's Freedomland.
rEvolutionist wrote:WTF?!? The West supported Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war. Does news of the world not reach your location?
Again, not sure if any actual news reaches Freedomland. If it does it's "biased" or "leftist" or some other baloney.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue May 31, 2011 1:58 am

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sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Ah, here we go with your conspiracy theory. The amorphous and shadowy "They" are lurking ...pulling the strings...
Here is the reason I won't bother with the rest of your post. To say/think that it is a "conspiracy theory" :roll: that the US government is run by corporate power is naive at best and downright ignorant or blind at worst. If you can't even see that, there is no point discussing foreign policy with you at all, it won't make any sense to you.
Influenced by corporations, sure. Absolutely.

However, a reference to some generalized "corporate power" is just nonsense conspiracy theorizing where "They" is "corporate power." Tell us who is in control, or your best guess. The board of General Electric? Google? Ben & Jerry's? McDonalds? Or, do they hold an annual meeting with the Bildeberg Group, the CFR and the Illuminati, and send a collective memo to their minions in Washington?

I got some stuff you gotta read, man...the corporations are foolin' ya into buyin' their stuff and turnin' ya into little Eichmanns....[toke] [inhale] [hold]...yeah man, the corporations man...the corporations....

Wouldn't it be great if instead, we just lived in groups together and shared resources....you know where like [toke] [inhale] [hold] ...like.. where each person contributes to the community, and like, some people grow the food, and some other people sell it, and like different people do different services.... [toke] [inhale] [hold]...

Then there'd be no "corporations." LOL
"Influenced?" fucking understatement of the year. Fuck.

Dude man, check out these books, the fucking US is number one man...gulp gulp, hold on, let me grab the keys to my 4x4 and a case of fuckin Bud dude. Yah, fuck yah America fucking rules man...yea yea, fuck the terrorists that hate our freedom....gulp gulp...wouldn't it be great if corporations could shake off government regulations? Fuck yah man...gulp gulp...fuck those commie pricks. USA USA USA!!!
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Re: Vote on Palestinian Statehood Looms

Post by sandinista » Tue May 31, 2011 1:59 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:In fact, if the US "got out" (cut economic ties?)
Not what I am talking about.
Sounded like it.
Rubbish. It's obvious what we are talking about. I mentioned it specifically in earlier posts. Your just trying to deflect the argument. Fail.
I don't recall him ever answering to that.
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